76s DEEP... i three bet pre which leads me to a turn bluff

[kaz2107]

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
3 players
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Stack sizes:
Button: $89.05
SB: $140.27
Hero: $128.50

Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $2</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, SB calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($14, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $3</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($20, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB bets $12.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $37</font>




Reads and thoughts...
the game is 3 handed and and i have been playin pretty laggy. villian was standing up to me more so then the other player but was basically gettin run over/ owned up to this point. none of his tricks had been working wut so ever because i was hitting hands/making perfect descions up to this point in the hand.

villian had played 35 21 4.5 my image was like 40 35 5 at the time. villian didnt seem bad tho tbh. i was getting my fair share of cards when playin hands against him and i think he was tryin to compensate for that by really couldnt do too much due to how aggro i am. seemed like a reasonable player tho.

a hand ago i was btn and raised with QTs. villian in this hand 3 bet smallish to like 5.5. i called and flopped a top pair queen kicker. i called his cbet the turn checked thru and river blanked and i called a smallish river bet and he showed down 65s for nada.

in this hand the preflop 3 bet is pretty standard. 3 handed 76s is solid and i have position. his flop bet is rather suspect tho. my gut feeling was to obv raise tha shizzy up. but i figured with my image and the fact that villian could b steaming from the last hand i would chill and just call and see if i can steal it away. i do in fact have a gutter draw so it is not like i am drawin dead or n e thing.

turn is a ballin card obv. and again villian makes this weak ass bet into me. i have just picked up 4 more outs in equity and decide a c/r here would b scarier then [censored]. he really cant justify a call with n e one pair hands and the amount of 2 pair options is rather limited. so really he can only call my 3 bet with a set imo.

so wut do u think??? sexy?? or not??? i kno giving my oponent credit to fold tp is often a mistake but meh. this looks like a sick spot for it imo.

[hennnerz]

would it be sick bad to minraise flop, induce a 3bet then 4bet him to fold?

i do this but generally i bet small to be raised then i 3bet...

[hennnerz]

Your play doesn't make too much sense imo. like what hand would u just call a weak flop bet then raise turn... 44 88 99 for a average player at nl50, but he may think you to not play them so standard...

[kaz2107]

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would it be sick bad to minraise flop, induce a 3bet then 4bet him to fold?

i do this but generally i bet small to be raised then i 3bet...

[/ QUOTE ]wow this is insane and nothing i would ever fathom without the sickest of reads or i could see his cards. if he 3 bets over my minraise i dont expect him to fold to a shove often.

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Your play doesn't make too much sense imo. like what hand would u just call a weak flop bet then raise turn... 44 88 99 for a average player at nl50, but he may think you to not play them so standard...

[/ QUOTE ] i mean i could have n e set on the flop really. KK cuz i 3 bet pre. i could have turned a set of 9s, i could have AA, or even AK really. there r a decent number of hands that i can have that are extremely strong atm.

[Gelford]

I usually just pot flop in situations like these, but this line is approved too [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[insyder19]

that's a fine play especially because the villian bets so small on the flop it kinda shows weakness, but could be KKK as well or he's scared to commit his big stack.

[BevillTheDevil]

you say he is decent which makes me think wtf is he doin w/ this weak ass flop donk bet?? I dunno if he wants to get raised or if he is makin a like block bet w/ a weak hand or what? either way seems pretty bad. but i typically raise here on the flop but I dont mind callin tho w/ the intention to make a move on the turn esp if he checks to us. But then he once again makes a weaksauce bet and by now it seems like he very likely has a weak hand so the raise is fine w/ me esp since we pick up a few more outs and we are both deep. I think raise to like 27-20ish tho,probably accomplishes the same thing but not that big of a deal. If he fires like PSB tho I probably become a nit and fold.

[Let_it_rain]

raise the flop hard with the gutsa, i like $12. if he calls, he'll likely check turn and we can have a free shot at whatever we got. Let it go if he shoves. Also lets us take control of the hand.

[kaz2107]

in this instance what do u all think is the best way to gain EV in the hand? fire the flop with a psr or call and then make a raise on the turn when it is favorable.

if i wait till the turn it will cost me a lot more to do it but i think it works more often (because a turn raise is much scarier then a flop raise obv) and i can also just fold if a bad turn hits or he pots the turn or sumtin like that. so not to sure which is the best way to attack the hand.

i used to pretty much raise the flop every hand but have been makin it an effort to do this more often or late. i assume it is a good idea to have this play in my arsenal but not too sure wut kind of a frequency i should b doin this with. (note that i play hyper aggro and pretty loose as my normal game)

[scallop]

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in this instance what do u all think is the best way to gain EV in the hand? fire the flop with a psr or call and then make a raise on the turn when it is favorable.

if i wait till the turn it will cost me a lot more to do it but i think it works more often (because a turn raise is much scarier then a flop raise obv) and i can also just fold if a bad turn hits or he pots the turn or sumtin like that. so not to sure which is the best way to attack the hand.

i used to pretty much raise the flop every hand but have been makin it an effort to do this more often or late. i assume it is a good idea to have this play in my arsenal but not too sure wut kind of a frequency i should b doin this with. (note that i play hyper aggro and pretty loose as my normal game)

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I really don't like this line. You are playing 3-handed, and you are an aggro player. Villian you have described as good. Lets assume he know's your aggro, even more so than 3-handed.

Your range is HUGE. If you are going to raise pf (it's deffinately not standard) then raise the flop regardless of board. This looks more inline than a turn raise, because you are an aggressive player.

If he's steaming he may look you up light. I call the turn (good pot odds/implied odds/position) and play accordingly.

When you say you are calling the flop instead of raising because you acknowledge that a turn raise is scarier, you then say you can fold if he psb or a bad turn card hits. In this hand you'r line represents the nuts - if you are going to play it like that then you need to play it like that.