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Old 10-30-2007, 11:08 PM
friskyfleabag friskyfleabag is offline
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Default Standard AK pf spot

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero ?
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:17 PM
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I'd 4bet and call a shove.
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Old 10-31-2007, 01:54 AM
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lego with ak here your flipping at best, I'd either fold and wait for more information and a better spot or call and re evaluate on the flop. your out of position against an unknown with a drawing hand...
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:02 AM
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lego with ak here your flipping at best, I'd either fold and wait for more information and a better spot or call and re evaluate on the flop. your out of position against an unknown with a drawing hand...

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I can't think of a worse play than folding here. We raised in CO, so it's possible BTN think's we're doing this with Ajunk or random crap. I definitely 4bet here. If he shoves, this makes it a much tougher decision. I think I'd find my way to the fold button, though, w/0 any reads.
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:09 AM
MicroDonk666 MicroDonk666 is offline
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bsball what would u be looking at for the 4bet? $10 -$11? basically pot committed with a decent 4bet and what do we do on the flop if we miss? Cbet how much? c/f? bluff push? against an unknown i think I'd call at best but maybe I'm just a nit haha
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:20 AM
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4-bet/call is clearly the best line. folding is real bad
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:30 AM
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bsball what would u be looking at for the 4bet? $10 -$11? basically pot committed with a decent 4bet and what do we do on the flop if we miss? Cbet how much? c/f? bluff push? against an unknown i think I'd call at best but maybe I'm just a nit haha

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if u 4 bet your pot committed therefore just shove.
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:40 AM
MicroDonk666 MicroDonk666 is offline
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maybe its just the site i play on but at this level i don't find many players 3betting weak aces or air against unknowns. pretty standard abc poker for the most part... but i stand corrected about the fold.
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:59 AM
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bsball what would u be looking at for the 4bet? $10 -$11? basically pot committed with a decent 4bet and what do we do on the flop if we miss? Cbet how much? c/f? bluff push? against an unknown i think I'd call at best but maybe I'm just a nit haha

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if u 4 bet your pot committed therefore just shove.

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Would you shove AA "because you are committed"?
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Old 10-31-2007, 05:03 AM
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lego with ak here your flipping at best, I'd either fold and wait for more information and a better spot or call and re evaluate on the flop. your out of position against an unknown with a drawing hand...

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People will fold a lot of hands that your flipping with but are slightly ahead of you like 77-JJ to your 4bet. Also they'll fold a lot of other stuff they were raising with to your 4bet...basically you'll win right there most of the time. That's basically were a lot of the value comes from. And if you're flipping who cares. The money in the pot makes it +ev. And even against QQ+ AK has ~32% equity.

Folding would be really bad.
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