PokerTracker: The Next Generation (NEW SOFTWARE DISCUSSION)

[HighSteaks]

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I datamine a fair few hands and use the "don't store the actual hand history option". It would be nice for users who use this option to be able to "trim" their observed hand db. For example, you could have an option along the lines of "delete all observed hand statistics for any one player over and above 2000 hands. This would insure that the stats on all players are recent and allow a far more complete db overall.

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The problem with this though is that individual hands affect everybody who was at the table. Say you have player x with 2k hands and you only want to keep the most recent 2k hands. If somebody at the table has less than 2k hands do you delete their hands as well? I might be missing something but I thought that was the reason why you can't do that currently with PT.

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But they are hands where the hand history is not kept, so the stats are just individual stats that exist for each player seperately without the hand history once the hand has been processed and deleted- so these statistics don't exist in relation to any other player.

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You're referring to stats and the db as if they are the same thing, PT stores a lot more than just stats. Take a look at the player_winnings table and you'll see that the hand does relate to every other player.
To ensure that all STATS are recent, PAHud needs a filter which is more granular/flexible than 'Show Stats from the Last X Hands Only'

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I am sort of looking at it from the point of view that it could easily be done, I realize it can't presently be done as I posted about it around a year ago in the PT forum, but I'm saying that the hands should be able to be assesed for statistical purposes and then discarded, simply keeping the statistics from a HUD point of view for people who use observed hands only for HUD purposes- what do I care who has won how much from who in hands I'm not even playing in let alone ones that I did. I would like to be able to keep my computer datamining 12 tables whenever it is on and refeshing my stats to the most recent 2000 hands on each player, simply in terms of VPIP PFR WSD Folds CB Agg Freq Folds Steal- seems pretty simple when starting from scratch. As things are at the moment to get a decent sample on some players who play less frequently you would have to end up with 40,000 hands or so for each of the regulars.

I do use Spade Eye which has filtering features etc but it seems to get to a point where it is constantly opening and closing tables outside the criteria- that then brings with it the added inconvenience of tables constantly being opened and closed on your desktop.

[_dave_]

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Btw please never mention the word Perl again when talking about implementing it as a middle man.

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I though you would have known this dave.

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TBH I know very little about PERL, and I was unaware it was considered slow... I was under the impression it was semi-compiled rather than repeatedly run-time interpreted language, but I do know very little about it.

It was just the first thing that came in to my head with regards to database back-end abstraction (IIRC PERL has something... DBI? that allows similar code to work many database engines)

I didn't mean to suggest adoption of a slow technology lol, just a random thought - but saying that PERL is *supposed* to be fast as hell at text processing - would it not make ANY sense to write the parser / DB import routines in such? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

*** I'll reiterate - I have no real knowledge/experience of using PERL, just throwing random thoughts out there. I'd be interested to know *why* it would be slow though... learning = g00t [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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[smartalecc5]

Whatever you do, keep the stellar support- its awesome!

[JimmytheGeek]

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Id kinda like to see how much money I make every day of the week. After a few months, get a pretty accurate idea what time or day I should play more and my expected $/h. Not that I dont know saturday night is probably better then monday afternoon, but it would be nice to see by how much its better.

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This is already available in PokerTracker. Session Notes Tab -> More Detail... (upper right)

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The problem with this section is that it is based solely on the start time for each session. For example, if you start playing at a table at 1:55 and play until 3:55, all hands played will be reported in the 12:00 - 2:00 slot and none will be reported in the 2:00 - 4:00 time slot. This is pretty much useless as an aid to deciding when to play. The time slots need to be filled based on the starting time for each hand.

One hour time slots would also be a big improvement, as the quality of tables often changes dramatically from one hour to the next at certain times of the day.

In addition, it would be really useful to be able to filter all data sections by time of day, based on when hands are played.

[brizzology]

Love PAHUD and PT!! Also, love these suggestions so far.

It would be supercool if you could pull down stats from OfficialPokerRankings.com and put them in the heads-up display detail. Or any similar online database with somewhat reliable and comprehensive statistics.

Built-in support for Bodog would be great.

[APerfect10]

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Id kinda like to see how much money I make every day of the week. After a few months, get a pretty accurate idea what time or day I should play more and my expected $/h. Not that I dont know saturday night is probably better then monday afternoon, but it would be nice to see by how much its better.

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This is already available in PokerTracker. Session Notes Tab -> More Detail... (upper right)

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The problem with this section is that it is based solely on the start time for each session. For example, if you start playing at a table at 1:55 and play until 3:55, all hands played will be reported in the 12:00 - 2:00 slot and none will be reported in the 2:00 - 4:00 time slot. This is pretty much useless as an aid to deciding when to play. The time slots need to be filled based on the starting time for each hand.

One hour time slots would also be a big improvement, as the quality of tables often changes dramatically from one hour to the next at certain times of the day.

In addition, it would be really useful to be able to filter all data sections by time of day, based on when hands are played.

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Ok, I gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. I'll see what we can do [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Self Made]

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Have you checked out PAH's Aggression Frequency? This is a much nicer and easier to deal with number then Aggression Factor. PT3 will most definitely contain Aggression Frequency as well as any other stat currently available in PAH but not in PT.

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Yes, I have always used Aggression Frequency and I agree that it's better than PT's Aggression Factor. The preflop agression and looseness measures are fine, as is PAHUD's postflop aggression measure. A good, simple postflop looseness measure is what's needed. I suggest simply the percent of the time that a player calls bets postflop.

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That is simply the inverse of Folds to <Flop/Turn/River> Bet which is already in PAH. What am I missing? The combination of this stat with Aggression Frequency should be more than sufficient, no?

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No. The main problem is that it isn't simple. I'd have to calculate the inverse of the average of three stats to get the simple looseness measure I'd like to see. With 15 seconds to act, I want a few simple stats most of the time. PFR, VPIP, and Aggression Frequency qualify. I'm suggesting adding a similarly simple postflop looseness measure.

If it's just the inverse of those three stats, it sounds like it would be easy to add. And, in my opinion, you'd add another winner as you did when you created Aggression Frequency.

Also, you might consider whether a looseness measure should include aggression as well. Perhaps not. The inverse of Folds to <Flop/Turn/River> Bet presumably also includes aggression (raises). Perhaps percentage of time they call is the optimal measure, though I don't know if it would be as easy to produce that stat.

[DMoogle]

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Never knew that was there. Unfortunately there isn't support for FTP yet. I guess this is because the notes aren't saved in a simple format. However, I know they can be found in the [username].dat file in the FTP folder. I wonder if some of the code can be deciphered so that it would be able to be imported?

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That's right about ftp. But I heard somebody somewhere say half the ftp notes file is on our computer and the other half is on ftp's machines - that sounds kind of screwy but if true ftp support might not be possible.

I did put in a request to support non-text sites somehow because I REALLY rely on my notes and hate for places like ftp I can't change/add to them offline in replayer (or even see them offline for that matter).

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Good idea. In the next FTP Answers thread in Internet Gambling, we should ask.

[tautomer]

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Id kinda like to see how much money I make every day of the week. After a few months, get a pretty accurate idea what time or day I should play more and my expected $/h. Not that I dont know saturday night is probably better then monday afternoon, but it would be nice to see by how much its better.

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This is already available in PokerTracker. Session Notes Tab -> More Detail... (upper right)

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The problem with this section is that it is based solely on the start time for each session. For example, if you start playing at a table at 1:55 and play until 3:55, all hands played will be reported in the 12:00 - 2:00 slot and none will be reported in the 2:00 - 4:00 time slot. This is pretty much useless as an aid to deciding when to play. The time slots need to be filled based on the starting time for each hand.

One hour time slots would also be a big improvement, as the quality of tables often changes dramatically from one hour to the next at certain times of the day.

In addition, it would be really useful to be able to filter all data sections by time of day, based on when hands are played.

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Ok, I gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. I'll see what we can do [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Definitely would like to see this little "bug" fixed. Also would like to have a filter for the time of day in the preferences tab (ie. "view hands since 8 am") so that if I play an early morning session and then another session after work I'd be able to view only the hands from the evening session as I import them while playing. Not a huge deal but it wold be a nice thing to have.

[KSOT]

Just reading half of the whiny demanding posts in this thread gave me a massive headache. I pity you PA.