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Old 10-24-2007, 03:56 AM
ZBTHorton ZBTHorton is offline
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Default Re: Uncomfortable AA spot in the Nightly 100k

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I agree that it looks more like a big hand to many villains, but on scary boards I like leading overpairs very strong because it accomplishes the following :

1. if villain has hit 2p set, it indicates to him that he might be able to stack you and he's more likely to get started building the pot now and make a big raise, which lets you get away on the flop from probably going broke

2. if villain is on a draw he's more likely to fold it now, and if not, and scare card doesn't hit, even more likely to fold when bet into on turn. If it's a big combo draw, he's likely to re-raise allin and if you know he likes to play this way you can make an EV+ call quite often.

3. even if he's got a moster and he calls, this gives you the information you need to exercise some pot control, or make a better fold decision on turn/river

I'd prefer to pay a little more upfront for better information.

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My brain hurts (from trying to grasp the fact you think that you're good at these things)

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Old 10-24-2007, 05:30 AM
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Default Re: Uncomfortable AA spot in the Nightly 100k

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I'd fold on the turn. His line looks super strong.


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Does it? In my mind hero has underrepresented his hand slightly on the flop and this can lead to villain thinking that his JT / T9 is the best hand at the moment.

For once I agree with balto that hero should have bet more on the flop. Not because he has AA, and not for information, but because continuation bets on highly coordinated flops should be (in my mind) bigger than on ragged boards.
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Old 10-24-2007, 05:49 AM
JammyDodga JammyDodga is offline
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Default Re: Uncomfortable AA spot in the Nightly 100k

When I play donks and have AK, to avoid getting sucked out and to minimise my variance I tell them I have AK, this way they know what I have and then if they raise big I know I'm beat and can fold. Unless I know they like to play that way then I call.... Unless they just call and then I know that they know what I have but I know that they and I both know that I don't know what they have and then I need to bet for information again. Then I tell them what suits my AK is...
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Old 10-24-2007, 10:58 AM
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Default Re: Uncomfortable AA spot in the Nightly 100k

Baltostar, I've rewritten your last post to make sure there's no confusion about what you're trying to say.

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I like to bet a lot so he knows I have AA. I could write "AA" in the chat, but some sites discourage that, plus he might not believe me anyways. My plan for the rest of the hand is this:

1. If he raises, fold if he has 2pair or a set, get all in if he has a draw.
2. If he calls with a draw, bet the turn.
3. If he calls with a monster, exercise pot control.

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Easy game...

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Old 10-24-2007, 11:06 AM
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When I play donks and have AK, to avoid getting sucked out and to minimise my variance I tell them I have AK, this way they know what I have and then if they raise big I know I'm beat and can fold. Unless I know they like to play that way then I call.... Unless they just call and then I know that they know what I have but I know that they and I both know that I don't know what they have and then I need to bet for information again. Then I tell them what suits my AK is...

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Jammy, Don't you agree that as long as you don't play all your hands the same in a given scenario, sizing a bet for reasons other than camoflage is the best play ?

In this scenario I like to make big continuation bets with a lot of hands. In this hand, if I had AK AQ AJ JJ 99 88, I'd also make a strong continuation bet a good % of the time.

He's not going to be able to put you on a big pair with confidence if he sees you making strong c-bets on a high % of flops.
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Old 10-24-2007, 11:51 AM
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Default Re: Uncomfortable AA spot in the Nightly 100k

lol you're not even trying to be confusing anymore, you're clearly just contradicting yourself.

OP I call the flop and call the turn. Bet flop all day
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Old 10-24-2007, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: Uncomfortable AA spot in the Nightly 100k

this gimmick account has hijacked another post. hasnt this gone on long enough?
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Old 10-24-2007, 12:44 PM
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lol you're not even trying to be confusing anymore, you're clearly just contradicting yourself.

OP I call the flop and call the turn. Bet flop all day

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what do you do against a river shove if the card is the

1) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

2) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

3) a Q, T, or a 7?
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:21 PM
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lol you're not even trying to be confusing anymore, you're clearly just contradicting yourself.

OP I call the flop and call the turn. Bet flop all day

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what do you do against a river shove if the card is the

1) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

2) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

3) a Q, T, or a 7?

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1) Fistpump call. Shout loudly at screen.

2) Call

3) Request Time. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: Uncomfortable AA spot in the Nightly 100k

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i call and re-eval on turn. i don't really know what raises so small on the flop after limp/calling. QJ? JT?

i'm probably not folding to a bet on half the turn cards

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I agree with all this. And whatever you do DON'T EVER check this flop.

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Guess Im the only one here who thinks checking the flop is okay, assuming you aren't comfortable getting all or most of the chips in on the flop.

If you are comfortable getting allin on the flop then checking is real bad.
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