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[rzk]

CO is 33/23/2.1/45/426, new to the table
SB is 58/20/0.9/227

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO 3-bets</font>, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (10SB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

bet the flop? c/r?

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

as played, turn play ok?

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (10.5BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 12.5BB

[strategery]

I don't understand why you played it this way. On the flop you have a very strong hand but you c/c when you could have c/r and had the loose SB calling 2. On the turn, if you want 2 bets going in why not c/r and give the SB a chance to come along instead of having to call 2 cold. Also, I think a turn c/r gets your money in better against CO.

[KitCloudkicker]

your line makes no sense on the flop or turn.

let me edit this.

you flop line, in conjuction with your turn line, is not logical. you can take a passive approach, but theres no need to mix it in with an aggro approach - ie the turn donk. you can play wa/wb but dont change gears in the middle of the hand.

[Absolution]

I'm playing this passively the whole way because of the J. The only A you beat is AT and everything else is drawing thin to you (on the flop.) The SB is padding and paying for his draw already. Also, by letting the SB stick around you keep the CO more honest and it will be easier to judge where you are in the hand. As played I really don't see what you beat on the river from a player with those stats, but he's a little too loose and aggressive so I call down hoping for a chop or some kind of overplay. The 3rd heart on the turn though does make things difficult and I'm guessing that's why you bet out. There is a definite risk of it being checked through here and that isn't great obviously in this large pot, but notice that at least it does make the river easy to play. It's tough to weigh the fact that you're WA/WB here with giving a free card.

[Absolution]

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Also, I think a turn c/r gets your money in better against CO.

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If the CO bets this turn I don't think you're money is going in that great.

[Oink]

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your line makes no sense on the flop or turn.

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I think it makes plenty of sense on the flop. I will often play the one passively for the reasons absolution mentioned

C/r'ing the turn is spew IMO. But I know I play this spot more passive that a lot of posters.

If you want to c/r anywhere it should be on the flop.

EDIT: Since its 5 handed and its a multiway pot I cap preflop BTW.

[rzk]

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your line makes no sense on the flop or turn.

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i played it that way for exactly the reasons Absolution outlined in his post. but i want to see if i balanced the concepts correctly.

[strategery]

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Also, I think a turn c/r gets your money in better against CO.

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If the CO bets this turn I don't think you're money is going in that great.

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I agree but I said that under the assumption that 2 bets will be going in on the turn because villain will bet more hands than he'll raise with.

[KitCloudkicker]

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your line makes no sense on the flop or turn.

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i played it that way for exactly the reasons Absolution outlined in his post. but i want to see if i balanced the concepts correctly.

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i edited my post.

[rzk]

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your line makes no sense on the flop or turn.

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I think it makes plenty of sense on the flop. I will often play the one passively for the reasons absolution mentioned

C/r'ing the turn is spew IMO. But I know I play this spot more passive that a lot of posters.

If you want to c/r anywhere it should be on the flop.

EDIT: Since its 5 handed and its a multiway pot I cap preflop BTW.

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oink,
what about the turn donk, is it ok?

also why would the fact that the pot is multiway make you want to cap an unsuited hand pf that could also be dominated?