Live 1/2 QQ 275BBs deep

[minnesotasam]

BUMP for the night crowd

[gimmetheloot]

yoou should be looking for this to go check check, check check, check small bet call.

betting flop here is very very meeeeeeeh

[wrschultz]

I would suggest not 4betting QQ here? 4bet AA and air, but not QQ.

You can't really stand ANY action at this point, and betting the flop is a bad idea.

[sightless]

I dont 4bet pf; just makes the hand very difficult to play :/

[minnesotasam]

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I dont 4bet pf; just makes the hand very difficult to play :/

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Ok, suggest a good flop and turn line for flat calling. Its an aggro opponent, assume we're getting c-bet for roughly 3/4 pot. What flops are we calling? Are we raising any flops that don't contain a queen? What flops are we folding?

I wanna know because (ironically), I 4-bet because I wanted to make the hand easier to play.

[minnesotasam]

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I would suggest not 4betting QQ here? 4bet AA and air, but not QQ.

You can't really stand ANY action at this point, and betting the flop is a bad idea.

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If you hate the PF action, then please suggest alternative lines (ie, beyond simply saying call.. gimme a plan).

I said I'm not particularly strong this deep, I'd like to know what to do.

[minnesotasam]

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yoou should be looking for this to go check check, check check, check small bet call.

betting flop here is very very meeeeeeeh

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If only life were that easy. How do we react to the inevitable 3/4 pot bet we induce when we check behind and...
a) a lowish spade hits?
b) an ace hits?
c) a king hits?
d) a lowish club hits?

Check/check, check/check, check/small bet/call is great when it goes blank-blank and our opponent feels passive, buts its pretty unrealistic.

If you hate PF say so, suggest alternatives.

[AshleyC]

I would not have 4 bet pre-flop. Given stack sizes this narrows your range to play against for villan, with a decent amount of money still behind and allows villan to play very well against your range. Given your 4 bet pre-flop, villan has pretty much AA, KK, JJ, AK here. I probably flop bet (not really liking it) but shutdown if called and fold to any raise (I really don't think he c/r JJ after your 4 bet pf).

[gimmetheloot]

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yoou should be looking for this to go check check, check check, check small bet call.

betting flop here is very very meeeeeeeh

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If only life were that easy. How do we react to the inevitable 3/4 pot bet we induce when we check behind and...
a) a lowish spade hits?
b) an ace hits?
c) a king hits?
d) a lowish club hits?

Check/check, check/check, check/small bet/call is great when it goes blank-blank and our opponent feels passive, buts its pretty unrealistic.

If you hate PF say so, suggest alternatives.

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lol at it being pretty unrealistic. U think he bets JJ on the turn to get rid of your AK?

Get real. If he has AK it just folds the flop, if he has JJ he prob folds, TT surely folds. AA/KK smash your head in and say thx for money.

JJ checks it down if possible.

it is this easy. If he bets you fold nice hand sir.

its a 4 bet pot im not worried about flush draws in the god damn mother [censored] slightest bit of my thoughts. If he has a flush draw here, ever, ever ever EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER, you are not playing with a solid opponent and fine, bet the flop.

Otherwise take my line.

[jjshabado]

I'm with minnesotasam, I haven't seen what to do on the flop when he doesn't 4-bet preflop (I'm not saying the 4-bet preflop is right/wrong).

If you're playing against someone that's going to c-bet the flop almost every time. There's about a hundred in the pot and we've got ~450 behind, so if he leads for 75 or 80 what do we do?

If we call, he leads a safe turn, we don't really know where we're at. If we raise and he calls we're in a messed up position on the turn.

I'm just not sure what the right line is.

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