Are there enough NYC poker players who care to...

[Jeffmet3]

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LOL. Get off your soap box and come back when you have a law degree and 10 years of your time to invest. If you stopped to do your research you would learn its been tried before and failed, that Pataki tried to open 5 casinos upstate NY and that failed too (its not dead yet, but the Feds stopped the plan). A grass roots movement coordinated by a bunch of poker-player degenerates without clout, money, or legal experiance won't do anything.

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There will be casinos in upstate new york, catskill mountains.

It might take another 5-10 years, but it's inevitable.

A few tribes have made some very large aquisitions in preparation for this(what used to be the Concord Hotel among other things), as well as the changing of the major highway to increase funding for expansion.

If you'd like me to go more into the dynamics behind why it is needed and will eventually happen, let me know.

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I know about the Concord purchase, and also Spitzer's subsequent support but the deal is now off the table until they can get around the federal regulations that dictate how Indian tribes can declare sovereign lands. Unless there is new news since February I am not privy to, the deal is nearly dead.

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No real new news coming at the moment, but the mood on the eventual deal remains positive despite the setback. My family has owned land/been going up there for the past 60-odd years (summers) so I'm basing it more on information from prominent people up there then news sources. They've had slot machines at the Monticello Raceway for the past few, but full-blown casinos are really needed to give that area a shot in the arm and they're confident that this land deal will eventually be approved.

If I head up there for a little bit this summer I'll try and gather some more concrete information. Really rooting for the Concord though.

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Still, even if a powerful lobby with political backing and good lawyers could get involved here

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i agree. Go hire the lawyers, lobbyists, and put together a warchest to make this happen. Then hire counter-lobbiests to chase after the Indian and AC lobbys, and a PR person to counter Donald Trump's inevitable complaints. Then report back to us when your done.

An idea is useless if you cannot make the vision come to life. Put up or shut up is my philosophy on life, talking about how we should lobby is wasted energy - start lobbying and get the ball rolling; just don't waste our time dreaming about change unless your capable of trying to implement change.

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There are entities that have the resources to to this. They're called gaming companies. They just need to be convinced that it's worth their while.

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Still, even if a powerful lobby with political backing and good lawyers could get involved here

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i agree. Go hire the lawyers, lobbyists, and put together a warchest to make this happen. Then hire counter-lobbiests to chase after the Indian and AC lobbys, and a PR person to counter Donald Trump's inevitable complaints. Then report back to us when your done.

An idea is useless if you cannot make the vision come to life. Put up or shut up is my philosophy on life, talking about how we should lobby is wasted energy - start lobbying and get the ball rolling; just don't waste our time dreaming about change unless your capable of trying to implement change.

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There are entities that have the resources to to this. They're called gaming companies. They just need to be convinced that it's worth their while.

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Still, even if a powerful lobby with political backing and good lawyers could get involved here

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i agree. Go hire the lawyers, lobbyists, and put together a warchest to make this happen. Then hire counter-lobbiests to chase after the Indian and AC lobbys, and a PR person to counter Donald Trump's inevitable complaints. Then report back to us when your done.

An idea is useless if you cannot make the vision come to life. Put up or shut up is my philosophy on life, talking about how we should lobby is wasted energy - start lobbying and get the ball rolling; just don't waste our time dreaming about change unless your capable of trying to implement change.

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i think you missed my point, the gaming lobby doesn't want gambling in NY State. They also didn't want gambling in PA. They make too much money in AC to allow it to be further fractured. Trump spends a fortune every year fighting this, he is probably the most vocal of the casino owners. Remember that most major casino operators have a footprint in AC, if its not in their interest, they wont support it.

Hey, I am all for gambling in NY - I hope you dont misread my sarcasm. Problem is every 4 months someone gets on a soap box here and declares that poker should be legal in NY State, and then does absolutely didly to make it happen. I know the owners of most of the private poker clubs in NYC, they don't believe there is a thing they can do the change the law; isn't it ironic? And yes, they have lawyers working for them.

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Gaming in NYC would have winners and losers on the business end. But there are huge gaming interests that have no interests in AC. The three I mentioned are in that category (Wynn, LV Sands, MGM, with the caveat that MGM has a piece of the Borgata).

I would also think the the pro-lobbyists, could put some torque on the anti-lobbists, if it were pointed out publically that the politicians on their side were acting against the interests of New York, and in the interests of NJ.

And, also, if a good representative sample of the poker playing (and blackjack, craps, and, hell, even roulette playing) population of NY made themselves heard, who knows...

But yeah, your right. I'm tilting at windmills. I'll get off my soapbox now.

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Gaming in NYC would have winners and losers on the business end. But there are huge gaming interests that have no interests in AC. The three I mentioned are in that category (Wynn, LV Sands, MGM, with the caveat that MGM has a piece of the Borgata).

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Wynn is buying property in AC. Sands expressed last year that they want to avoid operating on the east coast at this stage (I dont know why), MGM is operating Indian casinos on the East Coast including the one at the Concord if the deal is ever completed. Wynn is rumored to be a part of the TRUMP buyout deal, but there is so little info trickling down that I dont know what is true anymore.

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But yeah, your right. I'm tilting at windmills. I'll get off my soapbox now.

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Its ok... we are all frustrated. And I really do encourage you to get involved if a group ever gets organized. But tilting at windmills is just wasted energy, I'd rather see you save it for the day when we can really help bring about change. You mentioned D'Amato before, he wouldn't be on our side if he wasn't being paid big dollars to do so; thats just so sad [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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if you guys want card games in NYC the solution is to keep the clubs quiet, stay away from the idiots who keep bringing heat and stop letting everyone and their mothers into your games. the clubs will eventually be back, and the question is whether people ever learn that playing with robert iler isn't cool and things are much better if you STFU and keep the game alive.

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if you guys want card games in NYC the solution is to keep the clubs quiet, stay away from the idiots who keep bringing heat and stop letting everyone and their mothers into your games. the clubs will eventually be back, and the question is whether people ever learn that playing with robert iler isn't cool and things are much better if you STFU and keep the game alive.

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QFMFT, problem is some owner will always wnat the fat fast celeb cash and put risk at the other clubs

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Robert Iler and other celebs did not bring down the 61st Street club or the other one (other ones?) closed last week. The fact is the police knew these clubs existed and refrained from interfering with their business until the armed robbery two weeks ago. Who do you blame for that? Of course, the scumbags who actually robbed the place. Who else? The owners? the operators? the publicity? the fact that the club was holding bigger games than the other large clubs? I really don't know.

Personally, I don't play the omnipresent NLHE very often (or even LHE anymore). The bigger clubs were actually able to bring enough players together to spread other games. And in these larger clubs, you had HE players that were willing to take a spin at the other games with no clue how to play (which made the games far more profitable). Indeed, on the night of the robbery, they were talking about spreading the mix I believe is standard at the Wynn 20/40 (27TD, Badugi, Omaha8, Stud8). I was excited....

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You mentioned D'Amato before, he wouldn't be on our side if he wasn't being paid big dollars to do so; thats just so sad [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I am no fan of Al D'Amato. He was corrupt from the gitgo and I never voted for him. But I doubt very much that he is in this for the money. He is an avid poker player - who happens to be very politically connected. If anything, he misses the limelight and the power and control. As much as I detest Republican politicians I say use him! His nickname was "Senator Pothole" because of his ability to get little things done for his constituents.