Two pair flush draw turn. .25/.50 NL

[apefish]

.25/.50 NL Tribeca.
I have $50 at start of hand. Villain covers.

Dealt to Hero on button 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Villain UTG makes it $2. an MP with $45ish calls. Folds to me, I call on the button- yes please- blinds fold.

Flop 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain bets $4.
MP folds- conclusion- not much at this point, but villain likes his hand better here than he did an orbit ago when he open-raised MP and check folded into 3 callers behind him on a low board.
I decide to just call.

Turn is a beauty - 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain leads for $10. I have $42 left. Pot is $24ish to me

I can't imagine I can get more out of the hand if he doesnt have at least a king no matter what I do on the turn. He hasnt been out of line since I sat down. I couldn't figure out a hand that fires a third time on the river that I beat that I leave behind by raising. ie- AA AK and KQ are all coming along and other hands that have a chance to outdraw me but wont bet into me if they miss fold here and that is okay.
Hero jams.

thoughts on all streets appreciated.

[kslghost]

Sounds ok to me... I'd still raise the flop, I think.

[The White Rabbit]

preflop is fine. Please raise the flop, bottom two is not a hand to slowplay. Make it $12 or something.

Turn push is ok.

[JackAll]

I'm not too sure about raising the flop. I think worse hands fold and better hands just take more of our money. The board isn't that wet. The hands that stay in are AK/67/TJ/Set. This could be weak tight though.

Anyway, I would call the turn also. I really can't see the point of raising/pushinhg the turn here. Why push out worse hands? And we have a decent stab at better hands also with 13 cards giving us a fh. That's a lot if we had 2 cards coming, but the river is only one card. So why put our whole stack in and give more money to someone who is ahead of us when one of the 33 cards that don't help us come out? Plus, 2 of their 8 outs for any SD are helping us also, so again - I don't like pushing people out here. We already have position, so we can put in 2/3 PSB if villian checks to get value from KX. I love a call on the turn like a fat kid loves cake.

[The White Rabbit]

You play a set the same way?

So you basically never raise the turn with a strong hand?

Then how would floating ever work against a somewhat observant opponent?

He might call with a lone K and if not you're not getting much more value out of it anyway. (I doubt he's calling a 2/3 PSB on river but folding to a turn push).

[JackAll]

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You play a set the same way?

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No I don't. I don't see 2-pr as equivalent to a set.

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So you basically never raise the turn with a strong hand?

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Yes I do, but not here.

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Then how would floating ever work against a somewhat observant opponent?

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Yeah, I do need to add floating into my game eventually.

[los_toros]

Calling the flop adds deception but you're missing value on all streets if he has a strong king.

[Scottery]

I play it similar pf.. But i reraise flop. You want him hanging himself with AA/AK/KQ/KJ etc there... then get all on on a turn like that.

GL!

Ric.

[apefish]

Fair points all so far. And I was close between raising the flop or not. My default play has usually been to protect my hand like that/ let top pair hang themselves. But I attach some ultility to playing a pot that can get big at a somewhat different pace at times also.
I really thought if villain had a king I was doubling with this line OR a flop raise- but thought I may get some value out of other hands taking this route also. The club on the turn just made for an easier push with outs if somehow he turns over KK.
I wasnt trying to be goofy on this hand at all.
I have been mucking around with floating where I hopefully cant get in much trouble. This was my third move that on its surface looked similar to this on this table and the first time i wanted a call.

It is entirely possible that I play this hand differently on a different day also and raise the flop.
How many times at this level is someone getting off AA AK or KQs here after we reach the turn this way? Often they should- but how often in reality are they?