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Old 09-01-2007, 04:27 AM
MyPTBB100isPOOP MyPTBB100isPOOP is offline
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Default Re: 3/6 gut says to crai turn

It seems like a check raise is out of desperation, unless you have a bluffy image, and think you get called by much worse. Sure a flat call gives us a tougher river decision, but we are letting off all the worse hands easy, and never folding anything that beats us when we shove.
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:34 AM
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Default Re: 3/6 gut says to crai turn

i doubt hed simply call with sets or two pairs on a board like this, if he has a jack, ur letting him off the hook for less value and if he has a flush, ur commiting urself being in pretty bad shape. there is no hand u beat which would call this raise except for maybe something like AcJx, only hand this play really makes sense against is if u put him on the lone king or ace of clubs and dont want him to draw.
i woulda prob led turn and folded to a raise depending on size or maybe c/c (which isnt great since it sets u up for a tough river decision)
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Old 09-01-2007, 05:39 AM
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Default Re: 3/6 gut says to crai turn

although when u lead turn, its true that ur prob only gonna get called by a better hand (although its possible he has a stubborn jack or fd) u get away for cheaper if ur beat than u would check-raising and it gives u a much better idea of where ur at in the hand - once u check, his betting range widens quite a bit in my opinion and makes it tougher to proceed
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Old 09-01-2007, 07:21 AM
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Default Re: 3/6 gut says to crai turn

c/c seems the best way to play it or just lead with the checkraise you are turning your hand into a bluff
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Old 09-01-2007, 07:27 AM
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Default Re: 3/6 gut says to crai turn

Would you play AK/AQ with the Ac this way?
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Old 09-01-2007, 09:39 AM
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Default Re: 3/6 gut says to crai turn

Call.
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Old 09-01-2007, 10:46 AM
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Default Re: 3/6 gut says to crai turn

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Would you play AK/AQ with the Ac this way?

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a lot of the time ya, but i doubt he's thinking this
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Old 09-01-2007, 10:56 AM
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you should lead turn and shove over a raise instead

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Old 09-01-2007, 12:13 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 gut says to crai turn

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you should lead turn and shove over a raise instead

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what is villain raising here that we have beat? shove is gibberish, ud almost certainly be behind his turn raise and if ur not than ur missing value. the only hand i can think of that villain might make this raise with that we have beat is AcJx
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