$6 turbo SnG; Strong enough scoop draw?

ChuckyB · #1 07-06-2007, 01:32 AM

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Early in 9-man TURBO $6 SnG. This is the 10th hand. I believe UTG to be a moron. BB no read. MP3 has been active thus far.

Level 2; blinds 15/30. We're about 1 minute from blinds being 25/50.

Seat 1: BUTTON (1270 in chips)
Seat 2: HERO (1350 in chips)
Seat 3: BB (1340 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG (890 in chips)
Seat 5: UTG+1 (2520 in chips)
Seat 6: MP1 (1520 in chips)
Seat 7: MP2(1450 in chips)
Seat 8: MP3 (1720 in chips)
Seat 9: CO(1440 in chips)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of 15.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players/t120)
Hero ???

**If I check I believe, at the very least, MP3 will bet.

My question is, do I have enough of a hand to get it all in?
I figure I'd c/r the flop to a number that leaves me enough for a pot-sized bet vs. one and about 4/5 pot vs. 2.

Burdzthewurd · #2 07-06-2007, 01:45 AM

I like leading pot here, but if someone repots, I'm just calling. J-high flush draw is fairly weak multiway, and you're esp. boned if someone has nut flush/nut low draw combo.

BradleyT · #3 07-06-2007, 02:56 AM

I don't like your turn push when the ten comes.

sharky21222 · #4 07-06-2007, 07:59 AM

i like getting it in with top pair and nut low draw,you have a spade draw too,ram and jam baby .

bbartlog · #5 07-06-2007, 09:01 AM

I would definitely push hard here (c/r is good). You want to get it HU if you can; the number of individual hands that you are behind to is small, but if two people stay in the pot you could be stuck between one with the NFD and one with a better (current) high, which would hurt you.

you're esp. boned if someone has nut flush/nut low draw combo.

Only if they *also* have an overpair or two pair. You're only slightly behind a really strong hand like A23K in spades. Against someone holding (say) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] you're a 56/44 favorite. Top pair may not be huge in O8, but it still counts for something...

SamC489 · #6 07-06-2007, 11:29 AM

I used to just c/r and try to get all in here, but with how weak these $6turbos are, I think you can just call to see a turn. Most turn cards help here, so why not get another person in instead of isolating? I think this is more +EV. It also gives you a cheaper river when a offsuit 10 or K shows up on the turn. Passive I know, but lately, in these I have been uber-aggresive with combo draws only for the board to come high card, pair card.

So I like a check/call and turn on the jets when a good turn shows up (which is like 3/4 of the deck). Although getting as much in as possible isn't -EV, I think the check/call then pound a made hand is better.

SamC489 · #7 07-06-2007, 11:47 AM

Was I UTG? Im a donk in these past 9 pm cause im usually drunk.

BradleyT · #8 07-06-2007, 12:58 PM

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I deleted the HH (I was in this SnG) but OP raised or re-raised here and pushed the turn. Whoever he was up against had a horrible hand something like K23x if I remember correctly.

ChuckyB · #9 07-06-2007, 11:24 PM

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I deleted the HH (I was in this SnG) but OP raised or re-raised here and pushed the turn. Whoever he was up against had a horrible hand something like K23x if I remember correctly.

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Here's the full HH:

Level 2; blinds 15/30. We're about 1 minute from blinds being 25/50.

Seat 1: BUTTON (1270 in chips)
Seat 2: HERO (1350 in chips)
Seat 3: BB (1340 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG (890 in chips)
Seat 5: UTG+1 (2520 in chips)
Seat 6: MP1 (1520 in chips)
Seat 7: MP2(1450 in chips)
Seat 8: MP3 (1720 in chips)
Seat 9: CO(1440 in chips)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of 15.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players/t120)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP3 bets 120, Hero raises to 350, BB folds, UTG calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] (3 players/t1170)
Hero bets 970 (All-In), UTG calls 510 (All-In), MP3 folds.

River: J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] (2 players, 2 all-in)

HERO shows A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (HI: two pair, Jacks and Tens)
UTG: shows [K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] (HI: two pair, Tens and Fours)

HERO collected 2190 from pot
No low hand qualified