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Old 09-09-2007, 06:51 PM
traz traz is offline
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Default 100nl- 2nd pair + FD in unraised pot

First hand at the table, nothing on villain. Thoughts?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $83.00
Hero (BB): $98.50
UTG: $212.98
CO: $110.59
BTN: $93.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $1.00, BTN folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($3) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $5.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20.00</font>, CO calls $15.00

Turn: ($43) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $30.00</font>, Hero?
Pot Size: $73.00
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:04 PM
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Default Re: 100nl- 2nd pair + FD in unraised pot

push
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:18 PM
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Default Re: 100nl- 2nd pair + FD in unraised pot

arrrrr in.
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:21 PM
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Default Re: 100nl- 2nd pair + FD in unraised pot

Just call the flop raise.

Now bet out 30 on the turn and call a push. Given the check raise ai.
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:31 PM
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Default Re: 100nl- 2nd pair + FD in unraised pot

oh wow, I'm really stupid. Someone on aim msged me and was like...dude, that hand is so easy, you be having 2 pair! I TOTALLY thought I had J4h...lets pretend thats the case. What's the line there?


Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $83.00
Hero (BB): $98.50
UTG: $212.98
CO: $110.59
BTN: $93.50

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $1.00, BTN folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($3) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $5.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $20.00</font>, CO calls $15.00

Turn: ($43) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $30.00</font>, Hero?
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:33 PM
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Default Re: 100nl- 2nd pair + FD in unraised pot

pretty weak but fold (2nd hand)
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:39 PM
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Default Re: 100nl- 2nd pair + FD in unraised pot

b/cai between 30-40. I'm betting closer to 40 more often w/o two pair and closer to 30 w/ two pair.
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:40 PM
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Default Re: 100nl- 2nd pair + FD in unraised pot

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pretty weak but fold (2nd hand)

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u normally c/f here after you 3bet the flop?
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:45 PM
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Default Re: 100nl- 2nd pair + FD in unraised pot

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pretty weak but fold (2nd hand)

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u normally c/f here after you 3bet the flop?

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Our equity is gone, and you're basically praying he has the NFD since he called the 3 bet. I lead sometimes, but check/fold is fine too IMO.
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:53 PM
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Default Re: 100nl- 2nd pair + FD in unraised pot

3-betting the flop with the intention of c/f a blank on the turn is really bad. If you're 3-betting the flop you need to do it with the intention of bet/calling the turn. I still prefer just calling the flop raise b/c you have sd value (enough to c/c turn and hope for the river to go check check UI).

Edit: A 3-bet on the flop folds out very few better made hands. Jx rarely raises and Kx rarely folds, he could have air or another fd though.
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