Bottom set.

Guy McSucker · #1 08-14-2007, 06:00 PM

My name is Guy McSucker and I play limit. I am very, very bad at showdowns.

Here's a no-limit hand. Should I get to showdown?

Both villains are tightish and in my limited experience, fold very very easily on the flop. The whole game is so damn weak tight. Man I hate it. Anyway.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed)

SB ($109.40)
BB ($186.90)
UTG ($98.50)
McSucker ($144.95)
Button ($109.85)

Preflop: McSucker is MP with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, McSucker calls $1, 1 fold, SB raises to $5, BB calls $4, McSucker calls $4.

Flop: ($15) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $11, BB calls $11, McSucker raises to $38, SB calls $27, BB calls $27.

Turn: ($129) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $45, BB calls $45

Holy jack ten batman!

What should I do and why?

Also, preflop...? I limped out of pure boredom and it felt very wrong.

Grunch · #2 08-14-2007, 06:05 PM

DO NOT open-limp small pairs at 6m no-limit!

Actually, strike that and just make it don't open-limp anything at 6m no-limit. At least for now..

As played,

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What should I do and why?

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You should put all your chips in the pot because:

- You probably have the best hand,
- If you do, your opponents need to be making a mistake in drawing to suck out on you, and
- If you don't you have boat outs.

All-in baby!

gharp · #3 08-14-2007, 06:08 PM

Yikes -- well, I'd grit my teeth and push. I think JT is unlikely from SB given the preflop raise. BB is a concern, but not enough of one to get me to fold in this big pot.

sethypooh21 · #4 08-14-2007, 06:50 PM

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My name is Guy McSucker and I play limit. I am very, very bad at showdowns.

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This is astonishingly well-documented

Guy McSucker · #5 08-15-2007, 07:20 AM

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DO NOT open-limp small pairs at 6m no-limit!

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Okay. Why not?

Guy McSucker · #6 08-15-2007, 07:25 AM

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My name is Guy McSucker and I play limit. I am very, very bad at showdowns.

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This is astonishingly well-documented

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Uh oh. Are we having a fight now?

Josh. · #7 08-15-2007, 08:08 AM

how many people at .5/1 raise JT from the blinds?

Guy McSucker · #8 08-15-2007, 10:10 AM

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how many people at .5/1 raise JT from the blinds?

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Zero.

I would give the SB a range of QQ-AA, 99, AQ. Obviously I am ahead of a lot of that and can discount the sets a fair bit because he didn't reraise the flop.

The BB's turn call scares the crap out of me, though.

4_2_it · #9 08-15-2007, 10:20 AM

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how many people at .5/1 raise JT from the blinds?

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The ones you don't want with you in hands like this [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Serious answer -- Two types of players will raise JT here. Good players who know that hero opens light from the CO and uber bad players.

Grunch · #10 08-15-2007, 10:43 AM

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DO NOT open-limp small pairs at 6m no-limit!

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Okay. Why not?

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There are 2 main reasons why you should never openlimp in 6m.

The first reason is what happens when you hit your set & try to get paid. In the majority of cases when you get there, the opponent doesn't have a super-class hand, so getting all-in isn't a given. In most cases you have to use strategy to get all-in against a 2nd-best hand. If you open-limp preflop, it becomes damn near impossible to get all-in postflop. If you raise however it becomes much easier. So that's reason #1: when you hit your set you make more $ by open-raising than by open-limping.

The second reason is what happens the 85% of the time when you flop nothing but a small pair. If you open-limp, you're playing a basic fit-or-fold strategy. You'll either put chips in when you make a set, or fold after you flop nothing. This is not good no-limit poker. There is still money to be made when you flop nothing by leveraging Folding Equity, but not if you open-limp. Suppose you have 33 and the flop come K 7 2. You missed & have nothing. If you open-limp and then bet out, you don't have much fold equity. Most people won't believe you hit the King, and they will call you down with hands similar to yours. But if you had PFRed and then bet the King, your story is much more believable. And people would even be making a mistake in calling you even with a better hand because normally you would have the King. If they make these calls in the long run they will lose, even if they were right this time.