This Really Bothers Me - Page 2

JJT · #11 08-11-2007, 02:46 PM

Thanks fory all of your replies. I think, tho, that I was a bit unclear. This wasn't a casino situation, but a "for cumulative points" tournament at a local bar, so the deal circles the table.

It's not like I was trying to pull some masterful bluff and he was calling me on it, I just wanted to see a card.

Also, I see a great verbal difference in, "How many chips do you have left?" as opposed to, "How many chips do you have?" Maybe it's a semantic quibble, but the first question doesn't bother me, I'm in the action anyway and I'm not going to throw cards away to keep the amount to myself, the second question really burns me. Unless I'm slow playing a good pocket pair, the hand is gone 'cause it's not worth the aggro.

It may all come down to who is asking and how it's asked. This particular guy is high on my 'I hate playing with him' list and that made a difference in the whole situation.

JJT · #12 08-11-2007, 02:48 PM

Oh, and p.s.: I'm not a beginner beginner; I've been playing for about 3 years now, on-line and live.

AKQJ10 · #13 08-11-2007, 03:00 PM

It sounds like this player is really effective at putting you on tilt and pushing you around to get you to play less than your best. If you're parsing grammar to let him get under your skin, well, he's already under your skin.

Either avoid all tournaments with him in them (although these free bar ones have to be EV even with you on tilt) or decide to just give him the count when he asks. Then after he pushes say "call" and table your aces.

Khaos4k · #14 08-11-2007, 03:31 PM

If the pot is $100, there is a huge difference between you having $50 left and $100 left. He has a right to know.

xxGreat1xx · #15 08-11-2007, 04:49 PM

Just sit there. Make the dealer count it. This happens to me 4 or 5 times everytime I have played live. I just move my hands to show him the stacks and either he counts or the dealer counts. Its really not that big of a deal IMO. As others said, if this tilts you you have a ways to go

Jamsym · #16 08-11-2007, 05:23 PM

Yes your totally wrong.

Every player has the right to know the stacks of their opponent as it has a big effect on the way you play.

e.g - If you have only $100 left and the pot is $300 then a bluff is most likely not going to work. If you have $500 left though then things are different.

e.g2 - You have a flush draw on the turn and are faced with a bet of $50. You know your about 4-1 to make the flush but want to know if he has enough money left to pay you off with if you hit.

Also as a sidenote higher denomination chips should be at the front and most visable.

Nothing to get offended about when people ask you. Just quickly work it out then laugh at them when they double it for you [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

sonneti · #17 08-11-2007, 08:17 PM

Just sit still and let the dealer count it out.. what really bothers me is when people stack their highest denomination chips behind the rest so nobody can see them. I ask these players their stack sizes every single hand [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

DeuceSeven · #18 08-11-2007, 08:42 PM

I ask alot, usually when a guy's arm is in front of his chips or to make sure there aren't any chips behind his main stack.

AKQJ10 · #19 08-11-2007, 09:20 PM

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what really bothers me is when people stack their highest denomination chips behind the rest so nobody can see them.

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Actually that's illegal in big-bet poker. In really extreme cases, the floor or TD could make the all-in caller liable for only calling those chips that were clearly visible (in other words, if he hid a black $100 in a stack of red $5s, $95 would be deducted from the all-in bet.

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I ask these players their stack sizes every single hand [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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Probably as good a way to make your point as any, but the dealer should say something after the first time.

fourpin · #20 08-11-2007, 09:46 PM

Your opponent is entitled to know how many chips you have behind. Therefore he is allowed to ask the question.

If you feel he is doing it to be offensive or trying to put you on tilt maybe you can try what a couple players in my game do.

Simply move your arms away from your chips so he can see your stack. If you know you have him covered you can even try to reverse his game by replying "more than you". If he has you covered say "Not enough to scare you".
If he is "gaming" you this should shut him up.
If his question is a serious one, you will just have to give him a chip count.