A terrible experience at local cardroom

[TheTid]

So this place seems like some easy money. How much do you think you lost in the future for not chopping? Doesnt sound like you had good equity to me.

I play in live games "casino nights" that are filled w/ pricks and dead beats. They also have tourneys like this where the blinds get real high. However, over the long run i've made 10's of thousands off of them. If they get angry and bitch i dont yell back or act like a hard ass, i take the high road and then take their money the next time (or 10 minutes later at the cash games).

Congrats on your $215 "correct decision." Next time, take your $600 in winnings and come back next time and win another $600!

[MrBrightside]

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i had this same problem at the first B&M tourney i played in. I took the chop though because i was 17 and didn't want to get carded. The floor also had staked some of the guys who were at the final table with me, so they were looking to chop and get their money right then and there.

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If I ever found myself in a situation where the floor had staked a player, I would raise insta-hell.

[Brokeski]

that floor manager has been fired

[Lottery Larry]

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No dealer should allow this at all at their table (and usually an above average dealer is dealing the final table) and the floor should have kicked out any of the patrons that were getting physical with you.

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You miss this part in the OP?
"The players, dealers and floor manager are harassing me to take this chop"

[SpleenLSD]

This cardroom is 5 minutes from my house. This scenario is not unusual. No player wants to spend another hour deciding a winner when they could just chop and get back to the tables. The dealers especially, since they want the tourney to end so they can get tipped and get back to work. That's why the floor wants a speedy chop too. No one will pull out a calculator and start running chop formulas to guarantee equity. It's the dog track!

If you refuse the chop every player at the table will try to bust you and your pot equity will will suffer. You are likely to get less than the chop price, which is exactly what happened to you. I'm not defending these practices, but you are playing a $45 tournament with a 29% rake at a Florida dogtrack. You need to be aware of the environment and conditions. This is not a serious cardroom.

The physical threats etc. is unacceptable. There is a county sherriff in that room almost always. If you ever feel seriously threatened get a green shirth and let them straighten everyone's a$$ out.

[PrimogenitoX]

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First off, yes, this is unacceptable. Nobody should have to put up with that.

Now that we have that out of the way....

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I hopelessly try to tell them that my equity in the prize pool is more than $600.

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Why are you explaining this? Just say "no thanks" and leave it at that.

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Once again I tell them that I made the right decision.

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Once again, WTF are you thinking here?

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None of those idiots in the room hace a clue about equity or ICM.

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And you want to keep it that way, don't you?

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Why doesn't OP simply create a helpful handout explaining equity calculations and ICM guidelines that he can give his opponents to avoid confusion in the future?

[KipBond]

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No player wants to spend another hour deciding a winner when they could just chop and get back to the tables.

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I never understood this. If they're in such a hurry to get back to the tables, that they don't want to spend another hour on top of the 3+ hours they've already spent in the tourney -- then why even play to begin with? Isn't winning the tourney reason enough to try to finish the game? I'm all for chopping when it gets to the point that the blinds are so big that winning will be almost entirely luck of the draw anyway... but chopping because they don't want to spend another hour playing? I just don't get it.

[SpleenLSD]

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No player wants to spend another hour deciding a winner when they could just chop and get back to the tables.

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I never understood this. If they're in such a hurry to get back to the tables, that they don't want to spend another hour on top of the 3+ hours they've already spent in the tourney -- then why even play to begin with? Isn't winning the tourney reason enough to try to finish the game? I'm all for chopping when it gets to the point that the blinds are so big that winning will be almost entirely luck of the draw anyway... but chopping because they don't want to spend another hour playing? I just don't get it.

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Well, I can't tell you that it makes sense. Dog TRack players are either completely passive, or action junkies. They simplest thing to do would be for the floorpeople to use one of the various chop formulas and offer an reasonable chop. However, if that happened watch player say no and play it out. Catch 22 city.

[psandman]

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No player wants to spend another hour deciding a winner when they could just chop and get back to the tables.

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I never understood this. If they're in such a hurry to get back to the tables, that they don't want to spend another hour on top of the 3+ hours they've already spent in the tourney -- then why even play to begin with? Isn't winning the tourney reason enough to try to finish the game? I'm all for chopping when it gets to the point that the blinds are so big that winning will be almost entirely luck of the draw anyway... but chopping because they don't want to spend another hour playing? I just don't get it.

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Well, I can't tell you that it makes sense. Dog TRack players are either completely passive, or action junkies. They simplest thing to do would be for the floorpeople to use one of the various chop formulas and offer an reasonable chop. However, if that happened watch player say no and play it out. Catch 22 city.

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I don't think floorperson should be involved in negotiations. I do believe that the OP made a msitake. Rather than simply saying no to the $600 he should have made a counteroffer even if he thought it was more than his "equity" you never know they might have been willing to go for it (especially where there are 8 players so whatever additional money he wants gets spread out over 6 players -- say he had said he wanted $1000 too, that would have only cost each of the 6 other players something aroun60 so instead of $630 they would get $570--- they might have gone for it.) Making a counteroffer may have also had the affect ofdiverting there anger, since know some player wants to take the counteroffer but its a different player who doesn't want it. Know OP isn't the guy blocking the chop its one of the regulars.

[mingorama]

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that floor manager has been fired

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Huh? Although something should have been done, is that true?