Full Tilt, 17.5K guaranteed, JJ against EP-raise and call

[Tackleberry]

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tourney (17.5K guarantee, $24+$2)
Blinds: $80/$160
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $9806
UTG+1: $1428
MP1: $12524
Hero: $4110
MP3: $1680
CO: $10625
Button: $6260
SB: $4890
BB: $9070

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $320</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, Hero calls, 4 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1360, 4 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $1360</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: $1360 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $1360

It was the first hand that I saw Villain playing after having been moved to that table ... any comments on my play?

[Tsunami11]

Idk how you fold the flop after just calling the minraise pf and after seeing that harmless board... you that worried about AA,KK,and QQ?

[levAA]

I think I would have shoved the flop.

I think I would also have raised preflop, you have a good hand for a squeeze here.

I think his range is much wider than QQ+ here.

[Tackleberry]

JJ just kills me :-) What range do you put Villain on? He minraises UTG (!) and immediately shoves the flop. Unless I have reads on Villain I just called for set-value. What else should I beat here? He simply will have QQ-AA more often than AK (why shove the flop?) or 99/TT.

[levAA]

I see this miniraises from UTG all the time actually - I would say most PP.

As this flop is a good one for any PP a PSB against 2 opponents still can mean more than just QQ+ imo.

[Tackleberry]

Here is another spot - nearly identical (besides that he did not minraise):

Another spot with JJ

[ChipSpeak]

I like Levs line here, raise pre, we have a great hand to squeeze this, as played shove flop we can't assign him QQ+ alone, his bet screams 99-TT/AK.

[deemark]

I really thimk you should raise here say 700 and then we should now if he has AA,KK or QQ. I mean if we comes over the top here surely he must go all-in with his big pocket pairs and maybe call with AK because of 1 people behind him he cannot slowplay.

[Tsunami11]

Villain's range here for me is 66,77,99,TT,QQ,KK,AA,AK
---But how many players min raise UTG and open shove the flop with AA...I mean how can he put you on JJ,QQ or KK so he can shove and get max value.

[erc007]

I'd at least call this flop bet. His hand now looks pretty strong, but u may be able to play some low card club turns as "outs" (most SS players won't play hands like AK;KQcc this aggressively on the flop - esp if the board is paired.) If the turn is a (2;3;4;6;7) of clubs and he checks it to you, you're going to put him to a tough decision by shoving about a PSB. You could also check behind, since your flop flatcall could scare him into controlling the pot with an overpair - he'll prob have to check a club river if he checks the turn. If the turn is &gt; 8 and he 2-barrels, you have an easy fold, with a playable stack. With position, i think your hand has too much equity+showdown value to just fold the flop.