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Folding to a pf minraise
$50 buy in. 690 runners. 50 remain. Avg stack is 44,000
Both villains have good stats and are fairly experienced. Both have been playing very tight for the past hour but the bubble has just popped so they could be loosening up. Table has been fairly tight preflop and I have been raising ~18% of hands. The table has not seen a flop in ages.I probably have a slightly aggro image but I have been card dead so I don't have the crazy lagtard image that I normally have. Table is 8 handed. Hero - 60,000 Button - 56,000 BB - 15,000 Blinds 1,000/2,000/300 Hero has A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG+1 Preflop: UTG folds, Hero raises to 6,600, Button calls, BB pushes for 7,400 more, Hero folds. I just felt like I was way behind hands that were smooth calling me on the button and that my push to isolate would not work against AJ+/88+ in a huge pot. He might have raised big pairs or AK but he might be slowplaying too. I don't think that I am ahead of the BB's range either (obv I would call with the huge overlay if I closed the action.) I think that if I call I am going to get shoved on by the button almost always. Is this fold horrible? |
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Re: Folding to a pf minraise
so wait a minute you raised 6600 then fold for 7400 get almost 3 to 1 odds? and you will still have nearly 45k behind you?
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Re: Folding to a pf minraise
bad fold. gotta isolate here.
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Re: Folding to a pf minraise
"Is this fold horrible"
Sorry, but yes unless your VERY sure button is gonna iso jam u. |
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Re: Folding to a pf minraise
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"Is this fold horrible" Sorry, but yes unless your VERY sure button is gonna iso jam u. [/ QUOTE ] I am very sure that he will jam if I just call. He is definitely a good enough player to know that he is ahead if I just smooth call |
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Re: Folding to a pf minraise
unless the btn is so nitty that his cold call immediately signifies that he's trapping i'm shoving all day here.
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Re: Folding to a pf minraise
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[ QUOTE ] "Is this fold horrible" Sorry, but yes unless your VERY sure button is gonna iso jam u. [/ QUOTE ] I am very sure that he will jam if I just call. He is definitely a good enough player to know that he is ahead if I just smooth call [/ QUOTE ] umm than this is an easy shove and if you have AA/KK flat call if you are so sure of that. |
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Re: Folding to a pf minraise
Results in white:
<font color="white"> Button had AQ. Pretty much exactly what I was worried about. BB had AA, Obviously I did not have him on this but I did think he had 66+/AJ+</font> I know its unconventional but I have not yet been convinced that my fold is terrible. PLEASE convince me otherwise! The button had pretty much exactly what I thought he did (He is never calling here with A2s-ATs) He could have had KQ but I think that he is reraising most pairs that are not AA so I had his range solidly on hands that had me kicked. Given that does my fold make sense? Is my problem here being too confident in my read? 2p2, show me the light! |
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Re: Folding to a pf minraise
"Is my problem here being too confident in my read?"
Hell no, if you feel if you a very good grasp on his cold call range, and that if you just call he will iso jam, then cornell your fold is by no means terrible. |
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Re: Folding to a pf minraise
I think it'd be reasonable for button to fold AQ here; and thats about the best in his range (though occasionally AK/AA/KK). hm i think its also important what BB has been doing recently. if he's blinded down and folded his BB in a bunch of similar spots i think its fine folding because our equity that we're fighting for is [censored].
however if this guy just lost most of his stack the hand or two before then hes most likely pushing very light here. In that case it wouldn't take much fold equity at all to make it +EV imo; and vs a random winning player (button) i'd say they fold enough of the time. If you think he's good/smart enough to have called knowing the BB was going to reopen the betting, then i think a fold is fine. but not something you should assume just because he has been playing tight. |
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