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Old 08-25-2007, 06:46 PM
h_ven h_ven is offline
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Default Double barrel with nut flush draw gets check min-raised. RIPE

Villian is unknown and plays 40/7/0.6 through 40 hands

Does a min raise put you on tilt and make you mad, or is it just me?

Stack sizes:
Hero: $235
Villian: $212

Preflop:
2 calls, Hero raises to $12 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 1 fold, villian calls, 2 folds.

Flop($29): 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
vllian checks, hero bets $20, villian calls.

Turn($69): 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
villian checks, hero bets $50, villian min check raises to $100, Hero...

I hate check min raises. Villian has $80 left after he puts in the $100 raise.
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Old 08-25-2007, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: Double barrel with nut flush draw gets check min-raised. RIPE

Call. Push any of your outs - this villain will call for sure. Fold if you don't straight or flush up.
Pushing now is bad, you have 0 FE - he will have a set/2pair/straight like always.
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Old 08-25-2007, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: Double barrel with nut flush draw gets check min-raised. RIPE

Against a guy like that I check the turn because he won't fold.

As played, figure out the pot odds. We can assume we stack him everytime if we hit.
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Old 08-25-2007, 06:53 PM
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Default Re: Double barrel with nut flush draw gets check min-raised. RIPE

I'd probably check behind on the turn.
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Old 08-25-2007, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: Double barrel with nut flush draw gets check min-raised. RIPE

What do we do if a J or A hits on the river, check call push?
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Old 08-25-2007, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: Double barrel with nut flush draw gets check min-raised. RIPE

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What do we do if a J or A hits on the river, check call push?

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Fold.
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Old 08-25-2007, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: Double barrel with nut flush draw gets check min-raised. RIPE

We fold an ace or jack if he bets.
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: Double barrel with nut flush draw gets check min-raised. RIPE

So how do you figure pot odds out at this point. Do I count the $50 I have invested?

Please correct me here:

$50 to win $219 that's in the pot. 5:22 = .222 ~ 1:4.5

If he has a set:
(any 2 may not be a clean out)
11 spades - 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] = outs with one pull of the deck
9 out of 43 cards = .2 ~ 1:5

Plus implied odds I'll stack him for $80 more if a spade comes.

How does that look?
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:57 PM
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Default Re: Double barrel with nut flush draw gets check min-raised. RIPE

9 spades minus 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and the 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Should be 7 out of 43 cards = .16 ~ 1:6
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Old 08-25-2007, 08:10 PM
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Default Re: Double barrel with nut flush draw gets check min-raised. RIPE

Isnt this completely wrong from a commitment threshold point of view? Or do you guys not apply proffesional nlhe?
Thats why its a check on the turn right?
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