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11-28-2007, 03:20 AM
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Re: Don\'t taze me drone!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What did cops do before the invention of the taser? Were they running around shooting everyone who looked sidewise at them? [/ QUOTE ]  [/ QUOTE ] Exactly, there was a time in this country when you would be beaten to a bloody pulp, not tazed. You people watch entirely too many Andy Griffith reruns. [/ QUOTE ] lol. yeah, now with tasers around, all those bad cops are angels. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] As probably the only person participating in this discussion to have actually taken the taser ride, let me tell you first off that it looks alot worse than it actually is. A taser is not a pain compliance device, at least not in the sense that a baton or OC (pepper) spray is. It is a device specifically designed to cause muscle contraction, allowing the officers to safely apprehend violent suspects. As to the "old ladies" crap, there are idiots all over the world, in every profession, not just mine. Mine just get picked on alot more than most, because every news station in town has a scanner sitting in the news room. These tools happen to be my livelyhood, as I can't carry guns when I'm in close contact with inmates, most of the lifers have been hit with OC so much it's pretty much useless, and I'd prefer to not attempt to take down 200 men at once with a baton, as batons start riots. Therefore, the only viable option I have left at my disposal is a taser, which is scientifically proven to be so harmless that it does not interfere with a subjects pacemaker. Also, another piece of information you all may be interested to know. The pain from a taser hit goes away about 10 seconds after using it. Compare that with the 6-8 hours of OC pepper spray, and the sometimes permanent injuries of the good ole baton and fist methods. I'll admit, these things don't look pretty, but they weren't meant to. They do save lives. I'm a slightly different case, working inside the walls of a prison. Somewhere around 80% of the time, I think 78.6% to be exact, when a taser is deployed by a street cop, he could've (legally) used deadly force. Tasers save lives, and not just the lives of officers. 
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11-28-2007, 10:30 AM
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Re: Don\'t taze me drone!
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What did cops do before the invention of the taser? Were they running around shooting everyone who looked sidewise at them? [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Exactly, there was a time in this country when you would be beaten to a bloody pulp, not tazed. You people watch entirely too many Andy Griffith reruns. [/ QUOTE ] lol. yeah, now with tasers around, all those bad cops are angels. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] As probably the only person participating in this discussion to have actually taken the taser ride, let me tell you first off that it looks alot worse than it actually is. A taser is not a pain compliance device, at least not in the sense that a baton or OC (pepper) spray is. It is a device specifically designed to cause muscle contraction, allowing the officers to safely apprehend violent suspects. As to the "old ladies" crap, there are idiots all over the world, in every profession, not just mine. Mine just get picked on alot more than most, because every news station in town has a scanner sitting in the news room. These tools happen to be my livelyhood, as I can't carry guns when I'm in close contact with inmates, most of the lifers have been hit with OC so much it's pretty much useless, and I'd prefer to not attempt to take down 200 men at once with a baton, as batons start riots. Therefore, the only viable option I have left at my disposal is a taser, which is scientifically proven to be so harmless that it does not interfere with a subjects pacemaker. Also, another piece of information you all may be interested to know. The pain from a taser hit goes away about 10 seconds after using it. Compare that with the 6-8 hours of OC pepper spray, and the sometimes permanent injuries of the good ole baton and fist methods. I'll admit, these things don't look pretty, but they weren't meant to. They do save lives. I'm a slightly different case, working inside the walls of a prison. Somewhere around 80% of the time, I think 78.6% to be exact, when a taser is deployed by a street cop, he could've (legally) used deadly force. Tasers save lives, and not just the lives of officers. [/ QUOTE ] That is NOT why your profession gets picked on more than most. Not even close. The reason your profession gets picked on more than most is the same exact reason the excuse "Well there are [censored] in every profession" holds very little weight.
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11-28-2007, 10:49 AM
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Re: Don\'t taze me drone!
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That is NOT why your profession gets picked on more than most. Not even close. The reason your profession gets picked on more than most is the same exact reason the excuse "Well there are [censored] in every profession" holds very little weight. [/ QUOTE ] It isn't really an excuse you know, but more of an explanation. And it IS a better explanation than 'all policeofficers are [********]'.
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11-28-2007, 10:57 AM
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Re: Don\'t taze me drone!
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Therefore, the only viable option I have left at my disposal is a taser, which is scientifically proven to be so harmless that it does not interfere with a subjects pacemaker. Also, another piece of information you all may be interested to know. The pain from a taser hit goes away about 10 seconds after using it. Compare that with the 6-8 hours of OC pepper spray, and the sometimes permanent injuries of the good ole baton and fist methods. [/ QUOTE ] Which I don't disagree with, obviously. The thing is, there's been a recent spate of taser deaths up here in Canada and it's become enough of an issue that the Senate wants the matter looked into and taser use paused until the investigation's done. Personally, I think it's a good weapon for officers to have in violent situations though. There are more good cops than there are bad cops, and it's a high-visibility profession where PR is concerned, and a few bad cops can really ruin the image of officers in general.
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11-28-2007, 06:14 PM
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Re: Don\'t taze me drone!
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[ QUOTE ] That is NOT why your profession gets picked on more than most. Not even close. The reason your profession gets picked on more than most is the same exact reason the excuse "Well there are [censored] in every profession" holds very little weight. [/ QUOTE ] It isn't really an excuse you know, but more of an explanation. And it IS a better explanation than 'all policeofficers are [********]'. [/ QUOTE ] What do you mean it isnt an excuse? Its given as a response when people say "Something should be done about police" and then someone responds "There are [censored] in every profession." That isnt an explanation its an excuse, in other words, NO, something should not be done, its inevitable. (The "something" here is left nebulous to suit the situation). If it were just people grousing about cops fine but we are talking about actual actions and policies and "there are always bad apples" is being used as an ARGUMENT for why we dont need to take these things into consideration. In other words, an excuse.
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11-28-2007, 12:10 PM
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Re: Don\'t taze me drone!
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That is NOT why your profession gets picked on more than most. Not even close. The reason your profession gets picked on more than most is the same exact reason the excuse "Well there are [censored] in every profession" holds very little weight. [/ QUOTE ] Can you imagine a surgeon using that excuse? "I was having a bad day, I cut a few corners so I could go home early, what's the big deal?"
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11-28-2007, 06:15 PM
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Re: Don\'t taze me drone!
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That is NOT why your profession gets picked on more than most. Not even close. The reason your profession gets picked on more than most is the same exact reason the excuse "Well there are [censored] in every profession" holds very little weight. [/ QUOTE ] the problem is that the bad police apples are vehemently defended by every other police officer all the way up to the top. and by DAs. also police are trained to lie on(officially) and off(unofficially) the stand. also a lot of places the taser is a pain compliance device. which means if you get pulled over and the officer tells you to get out of the car and you refuse, they are trained to just tase you repeatedly until you get out. which might be ok for a guy or a big guy, but when it happens to a 90 pound woman it's just dumb cause any cop even a girl cop should be able to manhandle a 90 pounder. I mean, come on.
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11-28-2007, 06:17 PM
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Re: Don\'t taze me drone!
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[ QUOTE ] That is NOT why your profession gets picked on more than most. Not even close. The reason your profession gets picked on more than most is the same exact reason the excuse "Well there are [censored] in every profession" holds very little weight. [/ QUOTE ] the problem is that the bad police apples are vehemently defended by every other police officer all the way up to the top. and by DAs. also police are trained to lie on(officially) and off(unofficially) the stand. also a lot of places the taser is a pain compliance device. which means if you get pulled over and the officer tells you to get out of the car and you refuse, they are trained to just tase you repeatedly until you get out. which might be ok for a guy or a big guy, but when it happens to a 90 pound woman it's just dumb cause any cop even a girl cop should be able to manhandle a 90 pounder. I mean, come on. [/ QUOTE ] Also they should rightly be held to a ridiculous standard because they have guns and imprison people.
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11-28-2007, 07:47 PM
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Re: Don\'t taze me drone!
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police are trained to lie on(officially) and off(unofficially) the stand. [/ QUOTE ] Source? And this is one HELL of a statement, I want pages and pages. Unless your source is Law & Order or something. Then again, it probably is. [ QUOTE ] also a lot of places the taser is a pain compliance device. which means if you get pulled over and the officer tells you to get out of the car and you refuse, they are trained to just tase you repeatedly until you get out. which might be ok for a guy or a big guy, but when it happens to a 90 pound woman it's just dumb cause any cop even a girl cop should be able to manhandle a 90 pounder. I mean, come on. [/ QUOTE ] Source? I've yet to see a dept where the taser was used that way. It is a compliance device, but not pain compliance. Then again, you probably don't know the difference anyway. Well, actally I'm sure you don't, because your very definition of what a pain compliance device is and how it can be used were miles off the mark.
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11-28-2007, 08:21 PM
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Re: Don\'t taze me drone!
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[ QUOTE ] police are trained to lie on(officially) and off(unofficially) the stand. [/ QUOTE ] Source? And this is one HELL of a statement, I want pages and pages. Unless your source is Law & Order or something. Then again, it probably is. [ QUOTE ] also a lot of places the taser is a pain compliance device. which means if you get pulled over and the officer tells you to get out of the car and you refuse, they are trained to just tase you repeatedly until you get out. which might be ok for a guy or a big guy, but when it happens to a 90 pound woman it's just dumb cause any cop even a girl cop should be able to manhandle a 90 pounder. I mean, come on. [/ QUOTE ] Source? I've yet to see a dept where the taser was used that way. It is a compliance device, but not pain compliance. Then again, you probably don't know the difference anyway. Well, actally I'm sure you don't, because your very definition of what a pain compliance device is and how it can be used were miles off the mark. [/ QUOTE ] Wait. Do you actually work for Blackwater?
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