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Old 11-16-2007, 01:54 PM
gryphon_gold gryphon_gold is offline
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Default Value-raising on Turn and River

Fourth hand of the session, no reads.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, UTG folds.

River: (10.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls...

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On the turn, I was hoping to collect more money on the river. However, I wonder if it was worth the risk of slowplaying with three high cards to a straight already on the board.

On the river, I thought a raise would scare away callers, possibly including the bettor. Though, I really have no idea what the best play here is.

Were these calls right?
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Old 11-16-2007, 02:02 PM
BadBigBabar BadBigBabar is offline
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Default Re: Value-raising on Turn and River

easy turn raise with three people already calling the bet. don't try to get over-fancy.
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Old 11-16-2007, 02:04 PM
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Default Re: Value-raising on Turn and River

By failing to raise the turn, the terrorists have now won. Thanks a lot, bud.
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Old 11-16-2007, 02:14 PM
Bulletproof Monk Bulletproof Monk is offline
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Default Re: Value-raising on Turn and River

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By failing to raise the turn, the terrorists have now won. Thanks a lot, bud.

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but how much did they lose?
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Old 11-16-2007, 02:29 PM
Fadook Fadook is offline
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Default Re: Value-raising on Turn and River

Definitely raise that turn for value.
I'd just go ahead and raise the river as played. Busted draws aren't calling anyway, and this is .5/1. People are probably dumb enough to cold-call with just a pair.
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Old 11-16-2007, 02:36 PM
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Default Re: Value-raising on Turn and River

Good Lord, you are behind to like one or two possible hands on the turn and have someone betting into you. Raise that up yo.

Also, you slow play when you are ahead of hands that can get better and still be behind. In this case you are afraid of pretty much any broadway card that doesn't pair the board so keep betting.
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Old 11-16-2007, 02:45 PM
KaatzMeow KaatzMeow is offline
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Default Re: Value-raising on Turn and River

Grunch:

Preflop: I just call with some many players limping and I don't believe we have the equity to raise.

Flop: As played.

Turn: It looks like MP1 missed his C/R and will bet his 2 pair and I want to raise since I have the best hand. A reraise will show me if I am looking at AT and am behind. If reraised I call and c/c the River.

River: I has a suspicion that CO may have been going for overcalls and now with CO checking he has to bet his hand. I call but in real life I would have raised and called a reraise which is probably showing how this nit overplays his cards...haha
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Old 11-16-2007, 02:45 PM
LukeSLTS LukeSLTS is offline
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Default Re: Value-raising on Turn and River

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By failing to raise the turn, the terrorists have now won. Thanks a lot, bud.

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This is a fact. Pump up the pot on the turn and make these guys pay for their pari+gutshot draws.
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Old 11-16-2007, 03:43 PM
KitCloudkicker KitCloudkicker is offline
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Default Re: Value-raising on Turn and River

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On the river, I thought a raise would scare away callers,

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so how are you making more money by just calling?

hint: if you dont bet they cant call. poker101.




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Old 11-16-2007, 04:18 PM
samurai_jack samurai_jack is offline
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Default Re: Value-raising on Turn and River

Given the preflop bet, which I don't have an opinion about, I'd like to know why you wouldn't raise the flop. With position and for continuation (is that what c-bet means?), doesn't that let you know who is serious?
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