***Official November Chat Thread: The Golden Duck*** - Page 166

Das Budrick · #**1651** 11-13-2007, 03:36 AM

i used to play 15/8/2 and was a modest winner around 1.32 ptbb/100, after reviewing my game i changed to 16/12/3 and have seen much improvement. the biggest thing for me was focusing on position, becoming much tighter in EP and much more aggressive in LP and trying to steal more. my sample size is small for the past 10k ish hands ive been at almost 5 ptbb/100. chargers is right though a big part of my improvement also came from better post flop aggression

jack frost · #**1652** 11-13-2007, 04:48 AM

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haha just noticed ive had a 24 buyin downswing this month

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I am sure none of it has to do with 24 tabling.

Grinding2Ecstasy · #**1653** 11-13-2007, 05:06 AM

well i am on compelte and utter [censored] monkey tilt like never before. i swear i am geting my c bets called/minraised over 80% of the time. i am getting screwed eveyr single time i get it in way ahead. i am running QQ into AA over and [censored] over against guys with 20-50bb, and now very last [censored] orbit before I quite cause Im on monkey tilt and this:

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

CO ($103.50)
Button ($142.50)
SB ($99.70)
BB ($218.65)
UTG ($51.25)
UTG+1 ($71.80)
MP1 ($95.65)
MP2 ($85)
Hero ($111.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises to $3.5, 3 folds, BB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.5, BB calls $5.50.

Turn: ($18.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($18.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $24, Hero calls $24.

Final Pot: $66.50

Villain showed A3 offsuit

I don't even know what the hel is going on anymore

mikeymer · #**1654** 11-13-2007, 05:10 AM

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OMFG.

Ok deep villain is bad, 18/13 but overly aggressive. I wanted him to reraise pre as he usually does with any hand. Flop is ding ding ding jackpot didn't hit anyone. And turn I know first guy has KK and put second guy on like 1010 or a flush draw but oh wait he calls I'm dead.

GG 2 outs by both of you on flop. Plz discuss why you think I should play this different, as I think I must've done something wrong

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG+2: $449.20
MP1: $367.60
MP2: $343.70
CO: $400
BTN: $488
SB: $413.70
Hero (BB): $761
UTG: $702.30
UTG+1: $433

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to $12, 6 folds, SB raises to $40, Hero calls $36, UTG calls $28

Flop: ($120) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB bets $68, Hero calls $68, UTG calls $68

Turn: ($324) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB bets $188, Hero raises to $388, UTG calls $388, SB calls $117.70 and is All-In

River: ($1,405.70) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)
Hero bets $265 and is All-In, UTG calls $206.30 and is All-In

Results: $1,818.30 Pot ($3 Rake)
SB mucked K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and LOST (-$413.70 NET)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Eights) and LOST (-$702.30 NET)
UTG showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Eights full of Fours) and WON $1,815.30 (+$1,113 NET)

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I was SB. I wanted to check/fold the turn so bad, but im a moron.

Johnes Benjamin · #**1655** 11-13-2007, 05:12 AM

does anyone know what happened with live at the bike??

SABR42 · #**1656** 11-13-2007, 05:17 AM

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OMFG.

Ok deep villain is bad, 18/13 but overly aggressive. I wanted him to reraise pre as he usually does with any hand. Flop is ding ding ding jackpot didn't hit anyone. And turn I know first guy has KK and put second guy on like 1010 or a flush draw but oh wait he calls I'm dead.

GG 2 outs by both of you on flop. Plz discuss why you think I should play this different, as I think I must've done something wrong

Poker Stars, $2/$4 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG+2: $449.20
MP1: $367.60
MP2: $343.70
CO: $400
BTN: $488
SB: $413.70
Hero (BB): $761
UTG: $702.30
UTG+1: $433

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG raises to $12, 6 folds, SB raises to $40, Hero calls $36, UTG calls $28

Flop: ($120) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB bets $68, Hero calls $68, UTG calls $68

Turn: ($324) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB bets $188, Hero raises to $388, UTG calls $388, SB calls $117.70 and is All-In

River: ($1,405.70) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)
Hero bets $265 and is All-In, UTG calls $206.30 and is All-In

Results: $1,818.30 Pot ($3 Rake)
SB mucked K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and LOST (-$413.70 NET)
Hero showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Eights) and LOST (-$702.30 NET)
UTG showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Eights full of Fours) and WON $1,815.30 (+$1,113 NET)

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Since UTG is deep I think I'd 4-bet to $100 pf. By calling you allow him to profitably call with anything he opened with. Reverse implied odds. He can get away easily if he misses, but it's hard for you to get away unimproved because you have AA LDO.

bottomset · #**1657** 11-13-2007, 06:09 AM

god I got owned so bad at HU, now on a 21buyindownswing over just 6k hands there, I think the vast majority is just variance, but its absurd

today was variance

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): $76.65
SB: $74.60

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $3, SB raises to $8, Hero raises to $22.50, SB raises to $72.60 and is All-In, Hero calls $50.10

Turn: ($149.20) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($149.20) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $149.20 Pot ($0.50 Rake)
Hero showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Queens) and LOST (-$74.60 NET)
SB showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a flush, Queen high) and WON $148.70 (+$74.10 NET)

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (SB): $89
BB: $129.65

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (SB)
Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $6, Hero raises to $15.50, BB calls $9.50

Flop: ($31) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22, BB raises to $60, Hero raises to $73.50 and is All-In, BB calls $13.50

Turn: ($178) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($178) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $178 Pot ($0.50 Rake)
Hero mucked K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and LOST (-$89 NET)
BB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Nines) and WON $177.50 (+$88.50 NET)

thankfully its been at lower stakes than FR, and I have 10x as many FR hands at 4.5ptbb/100 over the timeframe, so its just a frustrating nuisance

NT=TOOLBOX · #**1658** 11-13-2007, 06:24 AM

HU.... not fo the timid

Split Suit · #**1659** 11-13-2007, 06:27 AM

most annoying sesh ever. even tho i knew the downswing was coming...i didnt expect it to come this way. missed every single draw but one, got set slammed twice, ran 2standard deviations low on hittin sets, ran into 3 other ppls sets (thnx FTP!), and cudnt even muster the energy to grind it out to profit

enjoy

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HAND #1
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $100
UTG: $21.30
Hero (UTG+1): $185
MP1: $89.70
MP2: $104.85
CO: $193.80
BTN: $107
SB: $121.70

Pre-Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1, CO raises to $4, BTN calls $4, 3 folds, Hero calls $3, MP2 calls $3

Flop: ($18.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, CO bets $9, BTN calls $9, Hero raises to $55, 2 folds, BTN calls $46

Turn: ($137.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero bets $126 and is All-In, BTN calls $48 and is All-In

River: ($233.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $233.50 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Twos) and LOST (-$107 NET)
BTN showed 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a flush, King high) and WON $230.50 (+$123.50 NET)

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HAND #2
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $165.60
Hero (BTN): $100
SB: $91.35
BB: $102
UTG: $95.50
UTG+1: $69.10
UTG+2: $61.45
MP1: $78.50
MP2: $186

CO posts $0.50
Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG raises to $4, 4 folds, CO calls $4, Hero calls $4, SB calls $3.50, BB folds

Flop: ($17) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
SB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets $11, SB calls $11, UTG folds, CO calls $11

Turn: ($50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $39, SB raises to $76.35 and is All-In, CO folds, Hero calls $37.35

River: ($202.70) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $202.70 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pair, Tens and Sevens) and LOST (-$91.35 NET)
SB showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a full house, Sevens full of Fives) and WON $200.20 (+$108.85 NET)

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HAND #3
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): $101.35
BTN: $147.70
SB: $156.85
BB: $110.55
UTG: $159.75
UTG+1: $59
UTG+2: $143.95
MP1: $85.85
MP2: $86.55

Pre-Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
5 folds, Hero raises to $4, BTN folds, SB raises to $13, BB folds, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($27) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $49, SB raises to $88, Hero raises to $88.35 and is All-In, SB calls $0.35

Turn: ($203.70) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($203.70) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $203.70 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Sevens) and LOST (-$101.35 NET)
SB showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $200.70 (+$99.35 NET)

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HAND #4
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

MP2: $48.90
CO: $97
Hero (BTN): $118.15
SB: $50.05
BB: $21
UTG: $27.50
UTG+1: $56.35
UTG+2: $88.55
MP1: $63.10

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $3.50, 4 folds, Hero raises to $13, SB calls $12.50, BB folds, UTG+1 raises to $56.35 and is All-In, Hero calls $43.35, SB calls $37.05 and is All-In

Flop: ($163.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

Turn: ($163.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: ($163.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $163.75 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, Aces and Kings) and LOST (-$56.35 NET)
SB showed A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Aces) and LOST (-$50.05 NET)
UTG+1 showed K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Aces) and WON $160.75 (+$104.40 NET)

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HAND #5
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Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

CO: $98.50
Hero (BTN): $100
SB: $22.45
BB: $98.50
UTG: $38.25
UTG+1: $117
MP: $114

Pre-Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
UTG raises to $2, 3 folds, Hero calls $2, SB calls $1.50, BB folds

Flop: ($7) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB bets $1, UTG raises to $5, Hero calls $5, SB calls $4

Turn: ($22) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, UTG bets $31.25 and is All-In, Hero calls $31.25, SB calls $15.45 and is All-In

River: ($99.95) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: $99.95 Pot ($3 Rake)
Hero showed 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Sixes) and LOST (-$38.25 NET)
SB showed 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$22.45 NET)
UTG showed 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Sevens) and WON $96.95 (+$58.70 NET)

+1 KK>AA. standard

only 4.5BI over 2.3K hands...but holy God that was [censored] annoyying.

RiverMustelid · #**1660** 11-13-2007, 08:00 AM

I am considering an alternative hobby of gouging out my eyes with a rusty nail. Guy is a 50+ dribbler. Anyone find a fold on the river?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

BB ($107.95)
UTG ($68.75)
UTG+1 ($138.85)
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($66.15)
MP3 ($134.90)
Hero ($166.85)
Button ($39.05)
SB ($126.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with

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[color=#666666]1 fold, [color=#CC3333]UTG+1 raises to $3.5, [color=#666666]3 folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $11, [color=#666666]3 folds, UTG+1 calls $7.50.

Flop: ($23.50)

,

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
UTG+1 checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $20, UTG+1 calls $20.

Turn: ($63.50)

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
UTG+1 checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $50, UTG+1 calls $50.

River: ($163.50)

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]UTG+1 bets $57.85 (All-In), Hero calls $57.85.

Final Pot: $279.20

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
UTG+1 has Ad 7d (straight, seven high).
Hero has Kh Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins $279.20.