QQ UTG First Hand (16 Turbo)

BingoBango · #1 11-19-2007, 12:19 AM

No HH but I just went all in on th first hand UTG with QQ. I figure I get called enough by idiots with bad hands to make it +EV so early on. Besides, I don't want to make a standard raise and get called by half the table. Even if it's 5-6x the BB, it tends to get a lot of callers early. I also think people will lower their calling requirements because they don't know how I play. Is this a bad play?

This was the first time I tried it, I got called by 22 - exactly what I wanted. He won though.

vers · #2 11-19-2007, 12:23 AM

you give up a lot of equity by open shoving.

eurythmech · #3 11-19-2007, 12:35 AM

You will usually get 1-2 callers, and 0 callers more often than 4 callers, if you raise to 3 times the bb.

Kevin8423 · #4 11-19-2007, 12:36 AM

This is bad, just make a standard raise and get paid off by the idiots.

BingoBango · #5 11-19-2007, 12:43 AM

If I raise to 60-80 with 1500 stacks, I can get called by anything (especially in a $16). I won't have much of an idea if a flop is good or bad. An A or K on flop is dangerous. I just don't think I can get a lot of money in ahead with this hand. Winning a small pot doesn't really help me at this point.

I would only consider this UTG and I don't think it's a bad of a play, but I guess I'm wrong

eurythmech · #6 11-19-2007, 12:47 AM

Dude, you accomplish two things by making a good (60-80) sized raise, rather than a retarded one (1500):

a) You are much more likely to stack hands that will make weak overpairs or top pairs, such as A9/88/QJ etc

b) You won't have to go broke against KK+

It's really really really clear-cut.

BingoBango · #7 11-19-2007, 12:56 AM

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Dude, you accomplish two things by making a good (60-80) sized raise, rather than a retarded one (1500):

a) You are much more likely to stack hands that will make weak overpairs or top pairs, such as A9/88/QJ etc

b) You won't have to go broke against KK+

It's really really really clear-cut.

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The chances of me losing to KK or AA are pretty low. The chances of me getting called by JJ/TT/99/AQ/AJ off set that. There's a possibility I get called by a lower pp as I did in this case. The chances of me getting my whole stack in ahead of the types of hands you listed are low and winning a small pot just doesn't help me that much. But I see your point too, I won't argue anymore, don't need to be an ass about it though

eurythmech · #8 11-19-2007, 01:03 AM

Just because someone was even worse than you this hand, and called with deuces, doesn't mean you were right.
You are more likely to stack these players by playing well.
Also, winning small pots does help.

BingoBango · #9 11-19-2007, 01:12 AM

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Just because someone was even worse than you this hand, and called with deuces, doesn't mean you were right.
You are more likely to stack these players by playing well.
Also, winning small pots does help.

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Ok

Poker Stars, $15 + $1 NL Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP1: 1,610
MP2: 1,870
CO: 1,785
BTN: 485
SB: 1,305
BB: 1,640
Hero (UTG): 1,465
UTG+1: 1,890
UTG+2: 1,450

Pre-Flop: (75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 200, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 200, 5 folds, BB raises to 350, Hero calls 150, UTG+2 calls 150

Flop: (1,075) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB bets 450, Hero folds, UTG+2 raises to 1,100 and is All-In, BB calls 650

Turn: (3,275) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (3,275) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 3,275 Pot
BB showed J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Jacks full of Deuces) and WON 3,275 (+1,825 NET)
UTG+2 showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Deuces) and LOST (-1,450 NET)

Better?

Kevin8423 · #10 11-19-2007, 01:18 AM

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[ QUOTE ]
Just because someone was even worse than you this hand, and called with deuces, doesn't mean you were right.
You are more likely to stack these players by playing well.
Also, winning small pots does help.

[/ QUOTE ]

Ok

Poker Stars, $15 + $1 NL Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP1: 1,610
MP2: 1,870
CO: 1,785
BTN: 485
SB: 1,305
BB: 1,640
Hero (UTG): 1,465
UTG+1: 1,890
UTG+2: 1,450

Pre-Flop: (75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to 200, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 200, 5 folds, BB raises to 350, Hero calls 150, UTG+2 calls 150

Flop: (1,075) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
BB bets 450, Hero folds, UTG+2 raises to 1,100 and is All-In, BB calls 650

Turn: (3,275) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

River: (3,275) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In)

Results: 3,275 Pot
BB showed J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Jacks full of Deuces) and WON 3,275 (+1,825 NET)
UTG+2 showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Deuces) and LOST (-1,450 NET)

Better?

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Not really, you should be shoving over his 3bet preflop and you should be all in on this flop. By saving yourself this hand you have probably missed out on a lot of money doing this in other hands.

BTW I currently am at the $16s and I can assure you that a standard raise to 80 is the best play with QQ. It works.