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Old 04-19-2007, 05:24 AM
Kondzik Kondzik is offline
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Default 25NL 6max QQ, str draw and high pair on the flop vs agression

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $24.65
BB: $21.50
UTG: $36.70
MP: $25.85
<u>Hero (CO): $24.60</u>
<u>BTN: $24.40</u>

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, BTN calls $1, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($2.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.75</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $5</font>, Hero???

villian was 20/9/0.83 so his play here was pretty agressive i think. What do u do at this flop?
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Old 04-19-2007, 06:22 AM
Colm Colm is offline
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Default Re: 25NL 6max QQ, str draw and high pair on the flop vs agression

with a moderately wide range that includes the trouble hands you have good equity:

Hand 0: 55.965% 52.16% 03.80% 55257 4026.50 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 44.035% 40.23% 03.80% 42620 4026.50 { 88+, AQs-AJs, KJs+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, AQo-AJo, KJo+, QTo+, J9o+, T9o }

if you give him what pokerstove says is the top 9% of hands you're doing better:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.592% 56.92% 02.67% 46772 2194.50 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 40.408% 37.74% 02.67% 31009 2194.50 { 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+, KQo }




but, his aggression factor is low so that it's an aggressive play. what hands would he play like that? if you give him only AA-QQ, sets, nut straight and two pair, you're toast:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.771% 34.41% 02.36% 19417 1333.00 { QdQs }
Hand 1: 63.229% 60.87% 02.36% 34347 1333.00 { 99+, KQs, J9s+, T9s, KQo, J9o+, T9o }

you're getting 9.1:3.25 so around 3:1 to at least call. break even immediate pot odds for the straight draw are 4.75:1, but you also have outs to a set... but he may be holding some of your outs or you might not draw to a winner. but you could also be winning if he just has the unlikely top pair.

what i usually do here is call and revaluate, but then i usually crai on a brick turn and lose to a better hand [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] haha. btw, i don't know what i'm doing with this pot odds stuff so if i messed up anything, i apologize, and please correct me.
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Old 04-19-2007, 06:26 AM
sdunsmb sdunsmb is offline
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Default Re: 25NL 6max QQ, str draw and high pair on the flop vs agression

..well yeh, call and re-evaluate turn is pretty standard.

button will slow down a lot of the time here. If turn bricks and you face a big bet, then I fold or crai depending on your reads on villian.
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:41 PM
Kondzik Kondzik is offline
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Default Re: 25NL 6max QQ, str draw and high pair on the flop vs agression

A lot of ppl told me to call and re-evaluate the turn.. but i ask what value do we get by calling here ? If a Q hits i dont think villian is calling here without a K or an 8 at least. If K or 8 hits im not gonna stack him either. dont u think its rather push or fold here? Perhaps im dead wrong here.. What are your opinions ?
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Old 04-19-2007, 01:53 PM
Jim14Qc Jim14Qc is offline
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Default Re: 25NL 6max QQ, str draw and high pair on the flop vs agression

pushing here will only get hands that beat you to call. It might be QK, might be JT or a set, but nothing you are +EV against and the pot is still relatively small.

Calling and re-evaluating on the turn is the best play.
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