Stop and Go with AK

jcm4ccc · #1 06-08-2006, 09:18 AM

Is this better than pushing preflop? On the bubble of a $10 + $1 tourney

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t2000/t4000
(Ante: t200)
8 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t77401
UTG+1: t38356
MP1: t16356
MP2: t58756
CO: t195082
Button: t33414
SB: t58530
Hero: t42301

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 raises to t12000, 4 folds, Hero calls t8000 (pot was t18000).

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t27600, 2 players)
Hero bets t4156 (size of MP1's stack)

registrar · #2 06-08-2006, 09:25 AM

I don't understand this at all as a stopngo. Pushing the nut flush draw makes sense.

The idea of the stop and go is that you can make stronger hands fold post flop, when you can't pre-flop. I don't see any pocket pair folding on this board on the flop. Weaker aces can fold to a flop push, but you'd rather get all the chips in before the flop.

Am I missing something here? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

jcm4ccc · #3 06-08-2006, 09:28 AM

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I don't understand this at all as a stopngo. Pushing the nut flush draw makes sense.

The idea of the stop and go is that you can make stronger hands fold post flop, when you can't pre-flop. I don't see any pocket pair folding on this board on the flop. Weaker aces can fold to a flop push, but you'd rather get all the chips in before the flop.

Am I missing something here? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ] sorry, it was not the nut flush draw. I've just edited the original.

andre006 · #4 06-08-2006, 09:29 AM

make him fold!!!

rockin · #5 06-08-2006, 09:34 AM

really don't understand this. Villain has 1bb left behind, is he that big of a donk, that he would fold postflop?

jcm4ccc · #6 06-08-2006, 09:35 AM

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really don't understand this. Villain has 1bb left behind, is he that big of a donk, that he would fold postflop?

[/ QUOTE ] He might. Who knows?

betgo · #7 06-08-2006, 09:40 AM

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really don't understand this. Villain has 1bb left behind, is he that big of a donk, that he would fold postflop?

[/ QUOTE ] He might. Who knows?

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I wouldn't stop n go with AK if there was significant money left, as AK is too strong.

In this case, I like the stop n go, because the fold would almost certainly be a mistake. It is unlikely villain will fold, but why not try.

AceLuby · #8 06-08-2006, 09:47 AM

If he raises 3/4 of his stack PF, he's not going to fold to a raise, no matter when it happens. This is NOT a stop and go situation. You might as well push PF.

bambam16 · #9 06-08-2006, 12:13 PM

At this point it doesn't matter, get all your chips in. But yeah I push this preflop, villian doesn't have enough behind to fold.

seke2 · #10 06-08-2006, 12:18 PM

All the chips get in this hand anyway. I'd rather get it in preflop when I'm probably the favorite. Why would you let him even consider getting away from something stupid like 22-55 on a really nasty flop? Is there any possible way that he actually folds a better hand on any flop? The only hands he'd possibly fold are tiny pairs, and the only way he folds that is if the flop has an ace and probably some other scare cards.

This is just overly fancy.

Push preflop and get it over with. You aren't getting away no matter what the flop is. He's probably not either unless the flop actually helps you or he was on a retarded bluff and you were way ahead preflop anyway.