Fuper Spot Where Hand Reading Helps

[adanthar]

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well props if your good enough to know when he's bluff shoving, semibluff shoving, and value shoving. are you?

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I'm good enough to get value out of donks with AK and occasionally pick off a bluff, yeah.

BTW, feel free to do some math/estimates ITT for how often people value bet worse hands when checked to here vs. how often they bluff shove when you bet

[0evg0]

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well props if your good enough to know when he's bluff shoving, semibluff shoving, and value shoving. are you?

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this comment just ended any debate.

bakes win/adanthar lose

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I'm good enough to get value out of donks with AK and occasionally pick off a bluff, yeah.

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i dont even know what to say to this.

you're good at guessing completely in the dark? what?

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i really don't understand why people lead in this spots.

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because some donkeys call with AK

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Huh? Even the donkiest of donks are rarely, if ever, calling a turn lead with AK here. You really think you're getting value from AK by leading this turn? I'm not saying it's entirely impossible, but I think it's rare enough to basically discount it.

[Bakes]

You have no idea who this player is, what his frequencies are, whether he calls with AK or an overpair, whether he bluffshoves, whether he will vbet worse. We are out of position with the worst overpair on a board thats not that drawy. So basically the turn lead is a bet without purpose because you have no idea what his range is....sounds like a bet for information to me. Considering he didn't lay the heat down on the flop, I think we can expect to get way more information from a check rather than a bet.



edited out some flames now that i see you thought it was river

[adanthar]

you know what, I thought the last ten posts were about the river bet. lol readingcomprehensionments. carry on.

[NYWalker]

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Early round of the FTP Fuper. Blinds at 15/30 and stacks mostly still around 3K.

UTG opens to 120, UTG+1 calls, I call in the SB with 99, BB calls.

Flop comes 8s6s3h.

I check to PFR who bets only 120. Only I call.

Turn brings 3c. Sometimes I lead here, sometimes I check. This time I was pretty sure I was ahead and would have a tough time getting any value from a worse hand, so I checked. He checked back.

River 8c. I bet 500 into a pot of about 735. PFR makes it 2150 leaving himself only 700 chips.


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If he has 66, 88, he'd raise to 1500. He may think all-in looks like bluff but still doesn't want you to call, therefore made 2150. Given your reasoning, you should call the river.

[Ian J]

Dude's got 4 of a kind.

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Early round of the FTP Fuper. Blinds at 15/30 and stacks mostly still around 3K.

UTG opens to 120, UTG+1 calls, I call in the SB with 99, BB calls.

Flop comes 8s6s3h.

I check to PFR who bets only 120. Only I call.

Turn brings 3c. Sometimes I lead here, sometimes I check. This time I was pretty sure I was ahead and would have a tough time getting any value from a worse hand, so I checked. He checked back.

River 8c. I bet 500 into a pot of about 735. PFR makes it 2150 leaving himself only 700 chips.


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If he has 66, 88, he'd raise to 1500. He may think all-in looks like bluff but still doesn't want you to call, therefore made 2150. Given your reasoning, you should call the river.

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how in the world do you know the exact amount he would raise with a boat here?

[Exitonly]

I think I like leading the turn.

we probably have the best hand but if we have to call another bet we're not going to be in great shape. Occasionally we'll pick off bluffs just calling down, but overcards are probably going to just check behind on the turn and then only fire on the river if they paired up. Also smaller pairs will probably just check behind on the turn but i think often call our turn lead.

If called on the turn i think i'd likely check-call a non-spade river. If we're shoved over on the turn .. i think fold is right. If i thought the guy was capable of bluff shoving AK, or was likely to shove spades (i think spades will usually just call) then i'd take a different line (like bet-call, or not lead turn at all)

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recap - bet prevents a free draw to 6+ outs, valuetowns smaller pairs, not likely to be bluffed.

[Clayton]

the small flopbet combined with river raise says that ur COMPLETELY SMOKED imo

i usually checkfold turn, nd on the river i like leading for much less or checkcalling/checkfolding dependant upon read.