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Old 12-02-2007, 02:31 AM
Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky is offline
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Default Re: need a plan vs a 2+2er

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you can't be bluffing if no better hand ever folds which is most definitely the case here. just because a limited number of worse hands calls doesn't mean it's not for value.

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and just because no better hand every folds doesn't make it NOT a bluff.

IE: you shoved on the river with air putting villain on small pocket pair.. He's a donk and called you. That'd be a bluff even though donk was never folding any part of his range that got there on the river, say, on a KKKAQ board.

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a small pair beats air on that board. you're hoping to fold out better.

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you defined bluff as folding better hands, so I gave you an example that a bluff never folds a better hand.

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no you didn't. you gave me an example of trying to bluff the wrong opponent. Surely the vast majority of people you face will fold the small pair there.
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Old 12-02-2007, 02:34 AM
rakes.a.beach rakes.a.beach is offline
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Default Re: need a plan vs a 2+2er

regardless of villain's action, hero is making a bluff.
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Old 12-02-2007, 02:55 AM
Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky is offline
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Default Re: need a plan vs a 2+2er

ya, that's what I said, your hand is a bluff 100%. Your only hoping to fold out better.
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