Police kill Polish man @ Vancouver Airport

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Wires,

Handling mentally ill teenage boys in a controlled setting is much different than handling random dudes in an airport. You knew the medical history of the kids you were around. You didn't need to worry about what kind of drugs the kids might be on or if the kid gets cut during the struggle are you being exposed to HIV or other blood-borne diseases. The cops need to make split second decisions with very limited information. If the guy in the video gets by the cops and starts running around the airport throwing stuff at by-standers the cops will be crucified for it.

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Should he somehow crack his skull open during the takedown the video would show whether it was due to improper procedure by police or whether the man was simply out of control and the injury was caused by his own actions/non-compliance.

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I very much doubt that if this guy got hurt during a takedown people in this thread would be posting "justifiable imo" wrt the cops. It could be true, but my guess is we'd just get more f tha police posts. If you want to post the takedown techniques you used on the kids go ahead.

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Wires,

Handling mentally ill teenage boys in a controlled setting is much different than handling random dudes in an airport. You knew the medical history of the kids you were around. You didn't need to worry about what kind of drugs the kids might be on or if the kid gets cut during the struggle are you being exposed to HIV or other blood-borne diseases. The cops need to make split second decisions with very limited information. If the guy in the video gets by the cops and starts running around the airport throwing stuff at by-standers the cops will be crucified for it.


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You're missing the point of the original post on proper techniques; proper takedown/restraint techniques will work on any individual if you have sufficient numbers (more people needed for larger/stronger suspects). The 5 police officers were trained in restraint, and instead, lazily applied the taser. Additionally, your strawman setting (he could bust past the officers and run around the airport "throwing stuff at by-standers" ) is disingenious. The man was calm and compliant at the time the taser was applied. No lives were in danger, especially not others at the airport. C'mon, stop sensationalizing. If he had charged the cops, they may have reason to tase him. This did not happen.

I also think you're greatly underestimating the difficulty of working with troubled teens. Knowing their medical history does not make it any easier to restrain a self-destructive kid from hurting himself or others.

Lastly, the airport IS a controlled setting, since it establishes that the guy was unarmed. He went through the metal detectors, right? Security far outnumbered him. So the risk was his size? They tased him because he was large... Is that a problem? It's a lazy police decision, and it may have caused someone's death.

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You're missing the point of the original post on proper techniques; proper takedown/restraint techniques will work on any individual if you have sufficient numbers (more people needed for larger/stronger suspects). The 5 police officers were trained in restraint, and instead, lazily applied the taser. Additionally, your strawman setting (he could bust past the officers and run around the airport "throwing stuff at by-standers" ) is disingenious. The man was calm and compliant at the time the taser was applied. No lives were in danger, especially not others at the airport. C'mon, stop sensationalizing. If he had charged the cops, they may have reason to tase him. This did not happen.

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This is the most ridiculous part of the story. The guy was ALREADY CONTAINED. All they had to do was have the cops stand guard outside the door until an administrative type could get someone who "spoke Russian" in there to figure out what was going on.

Consider this:

The cops were going to subdue the man, cuff him, place him under arrest, take him to jail or airport holding, and...

...get a TRANSLATOR in so that they could interview and interrogate him.

You guys can't see it, but I'm so doing the Lewis Black WTF?!??! look.

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"Handling mentally ill teenage boys in a controlled setting is much different than handling random dudes in an airport. "

I acknowledged this in my original post but for some reason you choose the repeat it as though I was neglecting this fact. However I don't think they are as different as you may expect. These teens leave the residence and we don't always know what they are doing in the community and what they are bringing back into the residence. This is closer to an apple vs. apple comparison then you think.

"I very much doubt that if this guy got hurt during a takedown people in this thread would be posting "justifiable imo" wrt the cops."

Of course anyone who is anti-police is going to make noise no matter how justified the police were in their actions. Just like the blindly pro-police aren't going to be able to look at a case and be critical where police clearly circumvent procedure and injury results.

There are plenty of cases of police shootings and aggression that, after investigation, are deemed necessary and the general public accepts the result.

"If you want to post the takedown techniques you used on the kids go ahead. "

I'm not sure if you are actually interested or simply looking for fault but I was trained in CPI and UMAP(I've been through the course at least a dozen time) - the specific takedown method differed based on number of individuals involved as well as age and strength of the adolescent.
One thing that is clear is that pressure on the upper back, throat, or anywhere else that would restrict breathing should be avoided at all costs and never used when going by the book. I don't know how this directive changes for police officers.