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09-26-2007, 11:54 AM
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Turn 3bet semibluff.
Maybe this is dull but bugging me so ...
Stars 10/20. Villain is 30/20/1.5 after only 100 hands, nothing stands apart yet. Hero open raises on the button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], villain in SB 3bets, BB folds, Hero calls. Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Villain checks, hero bets, villain calls Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain check-raises. hero 3bet, villain calls. Rare play for me but villain doesn't know that. Not sure what to put him on but his line smells a bit. Obviously hoped he fold so now what to do? I'm planning to bluff the river. river: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Villain checks, hero checks. Think I'm going mad but wonder if I should fling in another bet here. Ta 
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#2
09-26-2007, 12:07 PM
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Re: Turn 3bet semibluff.
I would bet the flop, but wouldn't if we had a regular T9 or just a flush draw. I'd definitely take a free card on the turn. 3-bet on turn is spew. wtf do you put him on, QJ? River check is good.
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#3
09-26-2007, 12:18 PM
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Re: Turn 3bet semibluff.
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I would bet the flop, but wouldn't if we had a regular T9 or just a flush draw. I'd definitely take a free card on the turn. 3-bet on turn is spew. wtf do you put him on, QJ? River check is good. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure what to put him on but he doesn't have to fold very often here and he doesn't have to have that much does he? chez
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#4
09-26-2007, 12:27 PM
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Re: Turn 3bet semibluff.
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[ QUOTE ] I would bet the flop, but wouldn't if we had a regular T9 or just a flush draw. I'd definitely take a free card on the turn. 3-bet on turn is spew. wtf do you put him on, QJ? River check is good. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure what to put him on but he doesn't have to fold very often here and he doesn't have to have that much does he? chez [/ QUOTE ] Did you miss the whole 3-bet out of the SB check flop, check/raise turn?
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#5
09-26-2007, 12:37 PM
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Re: Turn 3bet semibluff.
I agree w/ Tiger here, the turn 3-bet is spewy, taking a free card there is prob best.
When he 3-bets preflop and then checks flop, his range is usually monster or overcards. If he wasn't already there, the K hits a lot of his range.
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#6
09-26-2007, 12:37 PM
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Re: Turn 3bet semibluff.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would bet the flop, but wouldn't if we had a regular T9 or just a flush draw. I'd definitely take a free card on the turn. 3-bet on turn is spew. wtf do you put him on, QJ? River check is good. [/ QUOTE ] Not sure what to put him on but he doesn't have to fold very often here and he doesn't have to have that much does he? chez [/ QUOTE ] Did you miss the whole 3-bet out of the SB check flop, check/raise turn? [/ QUOTE ] Confused me totally - what hands play that way on a drawy board? I think his range is large and most of it beats me. I just don't know if he folds enough of it. chez
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#7
09-26-2007, 12:51 PM
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Re: Turn 3bet semibluff.
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I agree w/ Tiger here, the turn 3-bet is spewy, taking a free card there is prob best. When he 3-bets preflop and then checks flop, his range is usually monster or overcards. If he wasn't already there, the K hits a lot of his range. [/ QUOTE ] I agree that makes sense but most of the time most of the people continuation bet or check-raise with those hands and a lot of the time people represent stuff they haven't got especially in button blind battles. I dunno.
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#8
09-26-2007, 01:00 PM
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Re: Turn 3bet semibluff.
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I think his range is large and most of it beats me. [/ QUOTE ] i dare you to come up with a hand that doesnt beat you. but yeah that's not the point. i don't think his flop line is bad for something like KJ/KQ. i'm with tiger, I never would have bet the turn.
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#9
09-26-2007, 01:49 PM
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Re: Turn 3bet semibluff.
Aha! I knew you were capable of bluffing! I was justified all those times I payed you off :P
What's sort of funny is I agree with the others that you shouldnt bet the turn in the first place... But once he c/r, I dont mind the 3-bet but probabily wouldnt do it. His line is somewhat suspect.. My guses is there is a resonable % chance he had a weak made hand and was trying to rep a monster when he realized you were betting again. But its also possible he has the K and just plays weird. The thing is, most people dont fold those weak made hands even to your 3-bet cause they would likely recognize that you "could" be bluffing here.. All in all I prefer a passive approach, but the 3-bet isnt terrible by any means... Someone with your image is the right person to do it. The initial turn bet is bad tho.
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#10
09-26-2007, 02:32 PM
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Re: Turn 3bet semibluff.
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Aha! I knew you were capable of bluffing! I was justified all those times I payed you off :P What's sort of funny is I agree with the others that you shouldnt bet the turn in the first place... But once he c/r, I dont mind the 3-bet but probabily wouldnt do it. His line is somewhat suspect.. My guses is there is a resonable % chance he had a weak made hand and was trying to rep a monster when he realized you were betting again. But its also possible he has the K and just plays weird. The thing is, most people dont fold those weak made hands even to your 3-bet cause they would likely recognize that you "could" be bluffing here.. All in all I prefer a passive approach, but the 3-bet isnt terrible by any means... Someone with your image is the right person to do it. The initial turn bet is bad tho. [/ QUOTE ] agree with this post.
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