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Old 09-17-2007, 11:52 AM
van_exel_fan van_exel_fan is offline
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Default Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.

I only see AQ and J8 to make sense. Both those hands raise big because there are several river cards that weaken their hand (board pairing, king, jack, diamond).
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Old 09-23-2007, 06:52 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.

Against most people, he's not doing this often with draws, and the rest of his range, you're crushed against it, drawing to 2 or maybe 4 outs. But it depends heavily on how he views you.. so some info on your own stats, maybe sn if you like, would help.

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Old 09-23-2007, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.

i call but its close
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Old 09-24-2007, 10:49 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.

I think most sets and two pair hands re-raise flop in a multi-way hand on a board like that, I don't think KJ chases the gutter here and if he had KJ of diamonds, I think he's re-raising the flop to try and fold an ace or get it in there as he is roughly a coinflip versus ur range, I think he does this with any other combo/big draws on the flop (qjd etc). So what hands do u guys put him on? Do u think hes flat calling pre-flop with AQ or QQ? What about the other hands that might play like this: Q10, Q9, J8, is he calling out of the sb with these? I'm just not sure what u guys think he has here since I think most big hands (big draws, sets, combo draws, two pairs) play that flop pretty fast, so I think the queen must have changed the situation but for that to be the case he must either be calling oop pf with some pretty junky hands (Q10, Q9, J8), or smooth calling
pf oop with AQ or QQ - both seem unlikely
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Old 09-24-2007, 11:25 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.

I think the most likely hands here are J8s and AQ though so I would fold, both would prob play this way if he cold calls pf with AQ sometimes.
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Old 09-24-2007, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.

call, he could be shoving so many things here that have reasonable Equity (gutters + FD + Pairs) against a call knowing that you cant call without the eff nuts
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Old 09-25-2007, 10:22 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.

Looks like KJ, trips, or combo draw. You are behind two of those and you've shown him only A, so villain is sure you don't have str8 and wants you to shut up and ship.

If he has 2 pr should have raise flop. To put him on bluff you would have had to see him do similar b4, and with QT9 on board he has to have considered 2 pr are likely, making call to his shove a high danger.

If behind, 4 outs. Fold it.
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Old 09-28-2007, 03:40 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.

I'd fold here. I almost always see a better hand when I call in a spot like this one.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:59 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.

If anyone wonders i had j8 and hero called. i thaught he had set so i went allinn for value.
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Old 10-04-2007, 09:59 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 intressting turn situation.

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If anyone wonders i had j8 and hero called. i thaught he had set so i went allinn for value.

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you weren't trying to bluff him off KJ?
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