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this hand is NOT posted by recallme
Villain is 21/15/2.5 with 3.5/1.4 and 1.8 AF on flop/turn/river respectively, no real history. Thoughts?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com Button ($757.90) SB ($390.03) BB ($373.60) UTG ($1503.89) Hero ($400) Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, Button calls $16, SB calls $14, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: ($52) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $38</font>, Button calls $38, SB folds. Turn: ($128) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $99</font>, Hero calls $99. River: ($326) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button shoves for $265</font>, Hero? |
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Re: boring JJ hand vs reg
It looks like a straight up river value bet with a q or better and everything got there on the river (67, diamonds). He is also more likely to check behind a non-set lower pair on the river once you call a turn bet. Easy fold imo.
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Re: boring JJ hand vs reg
easy river fold. turn is close.
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Re: boring JJ hand vs reg
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easy river fold. turn is close. [/ QUOTE ] i'm not sure about river, but turn is not close at all imo, no way i can fold there. |
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Re: boring JJ hand vs reg
it seems when we get to the river our range is very narrow and his is very wide - pretty good mix for getting owned no matter what we do.
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Re: boring JJ hand vs reg
river is a call, busted flushdraw and some pairs etc
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Re: this hand is NOT posted by recallme
probably fold. I'd bet turn tho
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Re: this hand is NOT posted by recallme
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Meaning next to nothing likely unless OP has a big sample size. [/ QUOTE ] ~3k hands, villain is ifuhrd btw. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, fair enough. You think hes betting 88 when checked to here? [/ QUOTE ] this isn't something that can be determined without extra information. [/ QUOTE ] So does this mean you'd fold it the first time, and then adapt your game as you develop more history with villain? I just wanted to get concrete thoughts on why you like c/f. It seems to me that if you decide to c/c turn, then it allows villian to play perfectly against you, cuz if you check call turn, then check river, it narrorws your range by alot. If villain views hero as a competent player, then he can surmise that he doesn't have trips or better at this point, and can thus profitably push and force hero to fold his marginal pair. (is this correct at all or am I way off?) Thus c/f turn is good to avoid hairy situations that force you to make decisions for the rest of your stack...? and is it for the above reason that betting turn is better? because it makes the hand play easier? |
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Re: this hand is NOT posted by recallme
I like your line and without some read I fold the river
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Re: this hand is NOT posted by recallme
i think sets, AQ, KQ are a small part of a 21/15's range here. sets bomb the drawy flop and AQ, KQ are going to 3bet pre most of the time on the button 5-handed.
i really think this is missed spades a lot, like JT that couldn't muster the strength to raise on the flop. what % of time does villain fold to c-bet? also, this is just so opponent dependant since some guys will fire the river some won't. |
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