nl200 - tptk AT oop in 3-way 3bet pot

[Majik]

I'm fairly new to the table and I have no stats and no reads. Haven't put much notice to either one so far.


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Button is in seat 10
Total number of players: 4

Seat 1: <font color="#990000">Hero</font> ($198,00)
Seat 5: BB ($208,15)
Seat 6: <font color="#000000">CO</font> ($67,70)
Seat 10: BTN ($200,00)

<font color="#990000">Hero</font> posts small blind of $1,00
BB posts big blind of $2,00

<font color="#990000">Hero</font> is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

<font color="#000000">CO</font> folds
BTN raises to $6,00
<font color="#990000">Hero</font> raises to $21,00
BB</font> calls $19,00
BTN</font> calls $15,00

Dealing flop 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img],5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Pot is: $64,00

<font color="#990000">Hero</font> checks
BB checks
BTN checks

Dealing turn T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Pot is: $64,00

<font color="#990000">Hero ?</font>


Should I be b/f this, c/f or c/c?
How would you have played it differently up til now?

[coolmoedee]

I think you have to bet the turn and see what happens. If you get popped, it still may be tough to fold but a fold would be an ok play if that happens. I like a flop bet to represent your big pp and then re-evaluate the turn. The C-bet is a must on this one i think.

[mertzo]

Id try to c/f the whole way. Maybe call a 20$ bet or something

[reef2287]

i HATE the preflop raise, ur OOP, only going to hit the flop 1/4 of the time, just call PF-- theres your biggest leak

[Majik]

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I think you have to bet the turn and see what happens. If you get popped, it still may be tough to fold but a fold would be an ok play if that happens. I like a flop bet to represent your big pp and then re-evaluate the turn. The C-bet is a must on this one i think.

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I don't think a cbet will take down this flop nearly enough of the time though. If I cbet this flop I will have to go through with my bluff on the turn, with essentially means stacking off, and a lot of these guys won't fold a JJ type of hand here.

[Majik]

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i HATE the preflop raise, ur OOP, only going to hit the flop 1/4 of the time, just call PF-- theres your biggest leak

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Meh I don't think the pf raise is too bad. I like raising much more than calling tbh. I should perhaps have made it a bit bigger though. But 4 handed with ATs against a btn raiser I don't really think pf is bad at all.

[Hosehound25]

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i HATE the preflop raise, ur OOP, only going to hit the flop 1/4 of the time, just call PF-- theres your biggest leak

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I disagree, you want to raise because you're only going to hit this flop approximately 1/4 times or whatever. I think the turn is b/f.

[thekernel]

"I'm fairly new to the table and I have no stats and no reads. Haven't put much notice to either one so far."

This is why I hate pfr. When you are new to the table, play it safe. Once you have an idea on how your opponents play, then I'd start making moves.

As played, I c-bet flop. You represented a big PP and AK pf. Follow through and try to fold smaller PPs.

In this situation, BB cold calling looks like a small PP set mining. By c-betting, we make him to define his hand better. I am not worried about BTN raiser because his range is so wide pf.

If we c-bet and get raised, it becomes an easy fold. If called, c/c turn.

[Majik]

Ya maybe pre is marginal, but I really don't mind creating a looser image as opposed to a tighter one early on. This first 3bet of mine might be slightly -EV, but I think it will build up to create EV+ situations in the future. Hopefully [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
The real problem with the hand came when both BB and BTN called. Which I didn't expect them to. HU this hand is a bit less tricky.

Right after this hand I sort of felt like a b/f would of been a nice move, that's why I posted this. Since I decided to check on the turn.

BB bet out $44 into the $64 pot. And the BTN calls. Do I just fold now, or do I call once and c/f river?

[chris269]

Yep I would just fold. There is about nothing you beat with a turn bet AND a turn call. Plus you are oop on the river against two, if you call the pot will be about 200$, leaving you all with a 3/4 psb on the river.

I like preflop, you have a nice hand, BTN is very likely on a steal, and you take controll of the pot as the pf aggressor. But once BB called, you have no idea what he could have, and if you dont hit the flop very hard, you should just c/f this hand in a 3way pot oop.