Parenting tip for vegans: please feed the baby vital macronutrients

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but I believe that a vegan diet is the most healthy way to live life

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it can be healthy, but its not the "most" healthy

a balanced diet including meat, other animal products is the most healthy for nearly everyone

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What nutrients do you get from animals that you don't get from fruits and vegetables?

I read somewhere that when you eat animal flesh that carbon molecules in your stomach lining form around the piece of flesh because it thinks that it's part of you... your flesh, and this is the reason why it's so hard to digest meat.

Look at all the diseases you can get from meat.

[rwesty]

"I read somewhere that when you eat animal flesh that carbon molecules in your stomach lining form around the piece of flesh because it thinks that it's part of you... your flesh, and this is the reason why it's so hard to digest meat."

uhh... this is the best you could come up with?

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"I read somewhere that when you eat animal flesh that carbon molecules in your stomach lining form around the piece of flesh because it thinks that it's part of you... your flesh, and this is the reason why it's so hard to digest meat."

uhh... this is the best you could come up with?

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Well, I thought the part about all of the diseases you can get from meat was better than that :-)

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5BC0A967948260

"Meat-eating societies, such as the United States, tend to have higher levels of cholesterol in their blood, and higher rates of coronary heart disease, than societies where people depend more heavily on plant foods."

There is lots of research done on how meat is bad for you, and I don't agree that you need to eat meat to have a well balanced diet. However, a nice steak tastes way good.

[Paluka]

This story should be called "stupid parents" not "vegan parents". These people are no different than the other dozens of idiots who get caught with malnourished children every year. They are either malicious or extremely stupid and/or uneducated.
I have never in my life heard of vegans not breastfeeding a baby, and I know a lot of vegans.

[dylan's alias]

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What nutrients do you get from animals that you don't get from fruits and vegetables?

I read somewhere that when you eat animal flesh that carbon molecules in your stomach lining form around the piece of flesh because it thinks that it's part of you... your flesh, and this is the reason why it's so hard to digest meat.

Look at all the diseases you can get from meat.

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As for the nutritional defecits in a vegan diet, a three second trip to Wikipedia came up with this:
Note that it doesn't say that a vegan diet is necessarily deficient, but it is extremely hard to maintain levels of certain nutrients without supplements.

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Health effects

Main article: Vegan nutrition

The position of the American Dietetic Association is that "appropriately planned" vegan diets "are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."[29] Vegans are potentially at risk for being deficient in nutrients such as vitamin B12,[51] vitamin D,[52] calcium,[53][52] iodine[54] and omega-3 fatty acids.[55] These deficiencies can have potentially serious consequences, including anemia,[56] rickets[57] and cretinism[58] in children, and osteomalacia[57] and hyperthyroidism[58] in adults. Supplementation, particularly for vitamin B12, is highly recommended for vegans.[59]

[edit] Specific nutrients

Vitamin B12, a bacterial product, cannot be reliably found in plant foods.[60][61][56] While it may take one to five years to exhaust some individual's reserves of vitamin B12, many people do not have such reserves[62] and serious health consequences are a risk as a result of B12 deficiency.[63] Additionally, mild B12 deficiency can develop even with such reserves.[62] In a 2002 laboratory study, more of the strict vegan participants' B12 and iron levels were compromised than those of lacto- or lacto-ovo-vegetarian participants.[64] The Vegan Society and Vegan Outreach, among others, recommend that vegans either consistently eat foods fortified with B12 or take a daily or weekly B12 supplement.[60][61][56][65][66] Tempeh, seaweeds, spirulina, organic produce, soil on unwashed vegetables, and intestinal bacteria have not been shown to be reliable sources of B12 for the dietary needs of vegans.[67][68]

Adequate amounts of vitamin D may be obtained by spending 15 to 30 minutes every few days in the sunlight, although this may be difficult for vegans in areas with low levels of sunlight during winter.[57][69][60]

A 2007 study showed that vegans have an increased risk of bone fractures than both meat eaters and vegetarians, likely due to lower dietary calcium intake, but that vegans consuming more than the UK's estimated average requirements for calcium (525 mg/day) had risk of bone fractures similar to other groups.[53] It is recommended that vegans eat three servings per day of a high calcium food, such as fortified soy milk and take a calcium supplement as necessary.[52][29]

[edit] Link with eating disorders

The American Dietetic Association found that vegetarian diets may be more common among adolescents with eating disorders than in the general adolescent population, and that professionals should be aware of adolescents who limit the food choices and exhibit symptoms of eating disorders.[29] The ADA indicates that the evidence suggests that the adoption of a vegetarian diet does not lead to eating disorders, but "vegetarian diets may be selected to camouflage an existing eating disorder."[29] Other studies and statements by dietitians and counselors support this conclusion.[70][71][72]

[edit] Vegan pregnancies

The American Dietetic Association considers well planned vegan diets "appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy and lactation,"[29] but recommends vegan mothers supplement for iron, vitamin D, and vitamin B12.[73][74] Severe vitamin B12 deficiency in lactating vegetarian mothers has been linked to deficiencies and neurological disorders in their children.[75][76] A 2006 study found that vegan mothers are five times less likely to have twins than those who eat animal products.[77]

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Next, no your body does not recognize meat as "self" and create a special carbon coating around it. This is so retarded that it requires no further explanation.

Your comment about food-borne illnesses is equally uninformed. Do you remember the problems with the vegetable supply (scallions, spinach) this past year?

[MrMon]

So, if the above is true, and vegans lived exclusively on foods they could grow themselves, no supplements allowed, they would be really unhealthy or die. So much for it being the superior natural diet.

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What nutrients do you get from animals that you don't get from fruits and vegetables?

I read somewhere that when you eat animal flesh that carbon molecules in your stomach lining form around the piece of flesh because it thinks that it's part of you... your flesh, and this is the reason why it's so hard to digest meat.

Look at all the diseases you can get from meat.

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As for the nutritional defecits in a vegan diet, a three second trip to Wikipedia came up with this:
Note that it doesn't say that a vegan diet is necessarily deficient, but it is extremely hard to maintain levels of certain nutrients without supplements.

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Health effects

Main article: Vegan nutrition

The position of the American Dietetic Association is that "appropriately planned" vegan diets "are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."[29] Vegans are potentially at risk for being deficient in nutrients such as vitamin B12,[51] vitamin D,[52] calcium,[53][52] iodine[54] and omega-3 fatty acids.[55] These deficiencies can have potentially serious consequences, including anemia,[56] rickets[57] and cretinism[58] in children, and osteomalacia[57] and hyperthyroidism[58] in adults. Supplementation, particularly for vitamin B12, is highly recommended for vegans.[59]

[edit] Specific nutrients

Vitamin B12, a bacterial product, cannot be reliably found in plant foods.[60][61][56] While it may take one to five years to exhaust some individual's reserves of vitamin B12, many people do not have such reserves[62] and serious health consequences are a risk as a result of B12 deficiency.[63] Additionally, mild B12 deficiency can develop even with such reserves.[62] In a 2002 laboratory study, more of the strict vegan participants' B12 and iron levels were compromised than those of lacto- or lacto-ovo-vegetarian participants.[64] The Vegan Society and Vegan Outreach, among others, recommend that vegans either consistently eat foods fortified with B12 or take a daily or weekly B12 supplement.[60][61][56][65][66] Tempeh, seaweeds, spirulina, organic produce, soil on unwashed vegetables, and intestinal bacteria have not been shown to be reliable sources of B12 for the dietary needs of vegans.[67][68]

Adequate amounts of vitamin D may be obtained by spending 15 to 30 minutes every few days in the sunlight, although this may be difficult for vegans in areas with low levels of sunlight during winter.[57][69][60]

A 2007 study showed that vegans have an increased risk of bone fractures than both meat eaters and vegetarians, likely due to lower dietary calcium intake, but that vegans consuming more than the UK's estimated average requirements for calcium (525 mg/day) had risk of bone fractures similar to other groups.[53] It is recommended that vegans eat three servings per day of a high calcium food, such as fortified soy milk and take a calcium supplement as necessary.[52][29]

[edit] Link with eating disorders

The American Dietetic Association found that vegetarian diets may be more common among adolescents with eating disorders than in the general adolescent population, and that professionals should be aware of adolescents who limit the food choices and exhibit symptoms of eating disorders.[29] The ADA indicates that the evidence suggests that the adoption of a vegetarian diet does not lead to eating disorders, but "vegetarian diets may be selected to camouflage an existing eating disorder."[29] Other studies and statements by dietitians and counselors support this conclusion.[70][71][72]

[edit] Vegan pregnancies

The American Dietetic Association considers well planned vegan diets "appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy and lactation,"[29] but recommends vegan mothers supplement for iron, vitamin D, and vitamin B12.[73][74] Severe vitamin B12 deficiency in lactating vegetarian mothers has been linked to deficiencies and neurological disorders in their children.[75][76] A 2006 study found that vegan mothers are five times less likely to have twins than those who eat animal products.[77]

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Next, no your body does not recognize meat as "self" and create a special carbon coating around it. This is so retarded that it requires no further explanation.

Your comment about food-borne illnesses is equally uninformed. Do you remember the problems with the vegetable supply (scallions, spinach) this past year?

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From the book I gave earlier:
"There is a sodium coating covering
the entire inside wall of the stomach, which, if it remains intact, will prevent the digestive juices from
digesting the stomach itself. However, when any form of flesh food enters the stomach, the meat
attracts the sodium in the same way as the walls of the stomach. Some of the sodium is drawn from the
walls and gathers around the meat, thus preventing the digestion of the meat in the stomach and at the
same time depleting the sodium on the walls of the stomach.

As one continues to eat meat and a deficiency of sodium in the diet occurs, the sodium lining is not being
replaced on the walls of the stomach. The digestive juices then start digesting the stomach, producing
what we call an ulcer. When this occurs, all orthodox methods to heal the ulcer fail completely.

Sometimes the meat can remain in the stomach for two or more hours and begin to ferment and spoil.
To be broken down and digested it must pass on into the small intestine. All forms of meat take longer to
digest than fruit and vegetables do. Chicken and other fowl take the longest of all. Just because meat is
already a form of flesh, it does not follow that it is readily usable by our bodies. In fact, just the reverse
is true. "

You can find all of those vitamins you listed in non-meat products.
B12, which I guess has the most debate can be found in spirulina.

You can find loads of B12 in human poo, you won't catch me eating it ;-)

[Dids]

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This story should be called "stupid parents" not "vegan parents". These people are no different than the other dozens of idiots who get caught with malnourished children every year. They are either malicious or extremely stupid and/or uneducated.


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Bingo.

There's a boatload of kids in worse shape thanks to the habits of their meat eating parents.

That said, meat is delicious and not eating it is a crime against your taste buds.

[guids]

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This story should be called "stupid parents" not "vegan parents". These people are no different than the other dozens of idiots who get caught with malnourished children every year. They are either malicious or extremely stupid and/or uneducated.


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Bingo.

There's a boatload of kids in worse shape thanks to the habits of their meat eating parents.

That said, meat is delicious and not eating it is a crime against your taste buds.

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I dunno dids, dead is pretty bad shape. I just think that if you are an adult, fine, eat whatever you want, but listen to a friggen doctor in regards to your child no matter what your morals/ideas may be.

[MrWookie]

A sodium lining? You've GOT to be kidding me. Sodium is an ion. It diffuses rapidly through all parts of your body. It can't form any kind of protective coating. Furthermore, it's more likely to be REQUIRED for the activity of your digestive enzymes than it is to inhibit them. Man, have at least a rudimentary understanding of biochemistry before you rattle off any more of this [censored].

Oh, yuck. Then you go with more [censored] about ulcers. It's been conclusively proven that most ulcers are the result of a bacterial infection, not from your own stomach acid. Quit spreading this [censored] propaganda and misinformation.