Making Yourself Unreadable: A Debate // "Wolf Strategy Discussion"

[LuckayLuck]

lol, I never thought I'd start a thread like this.

Okay, I argue there are 3 ways to make yourself Unreadable, in the Long Term (which is what to strive for in Werewolf)

1) Making all your games the same.

I.E.

When you're a villager, try to be a villager.
When you're a wolf, try to be a villager.
When you're a seer, try to be a villager.
When you're a pumpkin, try to be a villager.

2) Post very little content in every game (but this isn't very fun)

3) Be random/irrational in some way (BobO?)


lastchance thinks there's another way to do it
let the debates gogogogo

[FCBLComish]

I choose option 1.

[Neil S]

I think all these are the same. You need to look at it differently.

Assume reads can be made. That means your Villager and Wolf games are separate and defined.

There are three ways, therefore, to improve your Wolf game:

1. Make your Village game more like your Wolf game

2. Make your Wolf game more like your village game

3. Make both your Village and your Wolf game into something new (perhaps erratic or low content).

I argue only the second is +EV and ethical. It is only correct to change a strategy for meta purposes, when it improves the winrate of your current role.

Changing your village game to improve your wolf game is ALWAYS WRONG. Changing your wolf game to improve your wolf game is ALWAYS ACCEPTABLE.

This also applies to Seer. Changing your Village game to improve your Seer game is wrong.

[DustinG]

I try and always play the same but im more irrational as a villager than a wolf and im probably a wolfier villager than a wolf too, objectively speaking

[traz]

Anyone who thinks about the "longterm" is already playing the game wrong (imo).

Every game should be looked at from a vacuum perspective

[lastchance]

Traz, you don't ever make player-specific reads because of games?

Make your wolf game resemble your villager game. I'm basically saying, be unreadable for any action by making sure you play games as wolves with any particular action you do as a villager.

And make sure you don't clear villagers, ever by interacting with wolves a lot and putting your wolf partners in actual danger.

You have to metagame as a wolf.

Neil, you're wrong about changing villager game to improve seer game. Not only will changing your villager to improve seer game improve your seer game, it will improve your villager game.

[LuckayLuck]

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Make your wolf game resemble your villager game. I'm basically saying, be unreadable for any action by making sure you play games as wolves with any particular action you do as a villager.


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so you're sayingggg
make your wolf game your villager game

wtfdshgdfj

[lastchance]

Pretty much. But it's subtle difference that actually makes sense. People want to get cleared as villagers when they're wolves.

I almost never deliberately try to clear myself when I am a wolf.

When I am lynching a fellow wolf, it is to make sure that I cannot be pegged as a villager when I lynch a fellow wolf, not to clear myself.

[Neil S]

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Anyone who thinks about the "longterm" is already playing the game wrong (imo).

Every game should be looked at from a vacuum perspective

[/ QUOTE ]Then you were wrong to vote Dustin for claiming wolf, with the thought of discouraging such claims in the long term. But I think your vote was right.

[traz]

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Anyone who thinks about the "longterm" is already playing the game wrong (imo).

Every game should be looked at from a vacuum perspective

[/ QUOTE ]Then you were wrong to vote Dustin for claiming wolf, with the thought of discouraging such claims in the long term. But I think your vote was right.

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No. In a vacuum, I will vote anyone who claims wolf. Villagers do not claim wolf. It is stupid.

The only reason dustin gets a passed, is because people AREN'T looking at it in a vacuum. They are using past experiences, where he has claimed wolf and been a villager, and letting it slide.