25nl: Would you ever flat call a flopped boat on river?

antman1437 · #1 07-23-2007, 10:23 PM

If you fear that opponent might actually have AA? Villain is a standard player who has only been around for 10 hands or so.

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $1, Button raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($6.35, 3 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($6.35, 3 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($6.35, 3 players)
Hero bets $4, Button raises to $10, hero...

homeslice · #2 07-23-2007, 10:26 PM

stack sizes?

wulfpacker21 · #3 07-23-2007, 10:26 PM

bet the turn... and bet around $4

need to include stacks that would help alot here especcially on the river for a value bet

Profish2285 · #4 07-23-2007, 10:27 PM

No, push all in. The more you think about it the more money you cost yourself over time. If he had aces this time Im sorry, but you will see Kx all the time, even 88 or 55 are possible, and once in a while a random bluff or overplayed lone ace. You could list a million hands you beat and one hand you lose to in this situation.

antman1437 · #5 07-23-2007, 10:29 PM

We both had full stacks of $25

Profish2285 · #6 07-23-2007, 10:34 PM

Do stack sizes even matter here honestly? This seems like such a standard push, this guy would have to be the uber nit to even consider just calling, and even then I probably still push.

barryc83 · #7 07-23-2007, 10:36 PM

if you hate money flat call the river, if you really really love money then push. also bet the turn.

wulfpacker21 · #8 07-23-2007, 10:56 PM

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Do stack sizes even matter here honestly? This seems like such a standard push, this guy would have to be the uber nit to even consider just calling, and even then I probably still push.

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they matter a ton.... if hero has $70 here and villian has another 50 your not shovin

Profish2285 · #9 07-23-2007, 11:05 PM

Nah to be honest, im puttin 200bb in here, and 99.99% of people would. Like I said, I would need some crazy read to think about flat calling with the second nuts against anybody, let alone an unknown. The only read I see is that the op is that he fears AA, which means he showed AA this time. However, he will be showing tons of random stuff that we beat.

jessyj07 · #10 07-23-2007, 11:06 PM

You should def. just call. He probably has AK too. He never has 88/55 and sometimes has AA. The only random K he could have is KQ that would reraise preflop and he owuld have bet teh flop with that. If you push he will put you on AK and you will lose if he calls.