25nl - Top, top, 2 tone flop. Turn makes straight and I get minraised.

badatmath · #1 10-22-2007, 10:59 PM

I can't fold turn to such a small raise (or can I?). Should I call river because of the missed flush draw?

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Button ($24.30)
SB ($16.25)
BB ($14.25)
Hero ($32.20)
UTG+1 ($74.35)
MP1 ($11.70)
MP2 ($32.10)
MP3 ($26.45)
CO ($5.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, 6 folds, SB calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($2.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.5, SB calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $6, Hero calls $3.

River: ($17.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $7.75 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $17.25

RapidEvolution · #2 10-22-2007, 11:14 PM

I was at the table for this and felt like he was almost guaranteed to shove river, regardless of what it was. I like checking behind on the turn because there are a lot of 2pairs/straights/draws in villain's range and you're not really feeling good if he check-raises. Plus, since you have position, he really can't do anything too nasty on the river if the pot's just $5.25. As played, I think river's a fold. He's really got no fold equity here and I think it's unlikely he's c/ring turn and shoving river with KQ.

On the turn, you should definitely be asking yourself what you're going to do if he shoves river. If you plan on calling, then you might as well shove turn. I think folding to the turn raise is fine, given that it looks like he wants on the chips in the middle and we have TPTK.

wikemang · #3 10-23-2007, 02:37 AM

check behind on the turn. I agree that if you're going to call the turn, you might as well put it in.

Effen · #4 10-23-2007, 02:49 AM

TURN and RIVER minraises and esp c/minraises are very rarely worse than TPTK at micros.

Chargers In 07 · #5 10-23-2007, 03:08 AM

Bet/fold turn please. Checking would be my second choice.

speedle · #6 10-23-2007, 09:12 AM

flop is ok

check behind on the turn.. obviously you are beat and you dont want a big pot.

ship_it_trebek · #7 10-23-2007, 01:21 PM

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Bet/fold turn please. Checking would be my second choice.

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Agreed checking gives you no information and you have no idea where you are at if he stabs a PSB or any largeish bet on the river. B/F is much better here.

badatmath · #8 10-23-2007, 05:15 PM

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Bet/fold turn please. Checking would be my second choice.

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Agreed checking gives you no information and you have no idea where you are at if he stabs a PSB or any largeish bet on the river. B/F is much better here.

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So I should fold to the minraise, even getting such good odds?

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flop is ok

check behind on the turn.. obviously you are beat and you dont want a big pot.

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Villain check-calling flop and checking to me again on a 6o turn makes it obvious that I'm beat?

Chargers In 07 · #9 10-23-2007, 05:37 PM

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So I should fold to the minraise, even getting such good odds?

[/ QUOTE ] The odds would only matter if the hand ended now or if you had a draw.

swainy · #10 10-23-2007, 05:45 PM

you're definitely beaten.... i would check behind on the turn and call a half pot bet on the river. when you call the turn raise then what is your plan for river? you don't really have a draw to improve, he is obviously betting and all u have is TPTK. if you think its good on turn, shove, if not, fold