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Old 08-11-2006, 06:42 AM
counterspell counterspell is offline
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Default \"the strange raise\"

i call this "the strange raise" for shorthand.
there is a 2 flush but otherwise uncoordinated flop. player A bets, player B raises, player C calls, player D calls, player A reraises, player B calls, player C raises...

this is a flush draw just as often as a set/top two, right?
feel free to give different answers for mid-limit live games and mid/low-limit online games.
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Old 08-11-2006, 08:57 AM
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Default Re: \"the strange raise\"

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i call this "the strange raise" for shorthand.
there is a 2 flush but otherwise uncoordinated flop. player A bets, player B raises, player C calls, player D calls, player A reraises, player B calls, player C raises...

this is a flush draw just as often as a set/top two, right?
feel free to give different answers for mid-limit live games and mid/low-limit online games.

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The last time I encountered this, the strange-raiser had ace high with only the A of the flush draw and caused me to lay down the winner on the turn.

That said, I think this is much more often 2-pair or better rather than a flush draw.

EDIT: I play 30/60 - 40/80 live
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Old 08-11-2006, 02:06 PM
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Default Re: \"the strange raise\"

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i call this "the strange raise" for shorthand.
there is a 2 flush but otherwise uncoordinated flop. player A bets, player B raises, player C calls, player D calls, player A reraises, player B calls, player C raises...

this is a flush draw just as often as a set/top two, right?
feel free to give different answers for mid-limit live games and mid/low-limit online games.

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More often it's a made hand as the flush draw would've already 3 bet. Usually it's something they were thinking of slowplaying to the turn, then decided to wake up with it on the flop.

But it could still be the flush draw.

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Old 08-11-2006, 03:30 PM
Haupt_234 Haupt_234 is offline
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Default Re: \"the strange raise\"

From my experience, the strange raise is a set a lot of the time. Or top 2. I rarely have seen a FD play like this...

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Old 08-11-2006, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: \"the strange raise\"

In my experience,if the strange raise caps the betting,it's a loose "what the hell" kind of a play that could represent a wide variety of holdings.
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Old 08-11-2006, 06:17 PM
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Default Re: \"the strange raise\"

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In my experience,if the strange raise caps the betting,it's a loose "what the hell" kind of a play that could represent a wide variety of holdings.

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I feel like this a per-flop phenomenon. The flop cap is most often top two, as even sets like to c-raise turns a lot.
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Old 08-11-2006, 07:04 PM
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Default Re: \"the strange raise\"

Yeah I agree this tends to be a monster. When it is a draw it tends to be 12 outs+.
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