2 hands from 10+1$ MTT and 4.5k guarantee

[DonLigretto]

Hi

These 2 hands were my last one's in these tourneys. What do you think about them? Was my line wrong or correct? (Sorry the handconverter somehow doesn't work for hand 2.)

Hand 1
Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t150/t300
(Ante: t25)
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t12000
UTG+1: t6570
MP1: t2525
DonLigretto: t1865
CO: t6714
Button: t18654
SB: t15865
BB: t7447

Pre-flop: (8 players) DonLigretto is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t300 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t650)</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">DonLigretto raises all-in t1840</font>, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls t1540 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t2790)</font>.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t4330, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t4330)


Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t4330, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t4330)


River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t4330, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: t4330)


Results:
Final pot: t4330
<font color="#ffffff">UTG+1 showed 9d Jc</font>
<font color="#ffffff">DonLigretto showed Ac 6c</font>

Hand 2
Full Tilt Poker Game #2792755957: $10 + $1 Tournament (20792511), Table 1 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 7:23:25 ET - 2007/06/28
Seat 1: PK08DL (7,279)
Seat 2: GeneralJim1 (4,040)
Seat 4: TRADERG (4,040)
Seat 5: CrucialHandz (11,155)
Seat 6: DonLigretto (5,290)
Seat 7: WHAMBAZ (2,615)
Seat 8: dlg (6,540)
Seat 9: ATTHCTSYD (2,887)
GeneralJim1 posts the small blind of 80
TRADERG posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DonLigretto [Jh As]
CrucialHandz folds
DonLigretto raises to 480
WHAMBAZ folds
ATTHCTSYD: theres another ace somewhere, and the flush was live
dlg calls 480
ATTHCTSYD folds
PK08DL folds
GeneralJim1 has 15 seconds left to act
GeneralJim1 folds
TRADERG folds
*** FLOP *** [Jc Ac 4s]
DonLigretto bets 800
dlg raises to 2,880
DonLigretto raises to 4,810, and is all in
dlg calls 1,930
DonLigretto shows [Jh As]
dlg shows [4h 4c]
*** TURN *** [Jc Ac 4s] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [Jc Ac 4s 8s] [3s]
DonLigretto shows two pair, Aces and Jacks
dlg shows three of a kind, Fours
dlg wins the pot (10,820) with three of a kind, Fours
DonLigretto stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10,820 | Rake 0
Board: [Jc Ac 4s 8s 3s]
Seat 1: PK08DL (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: GeneralJim1 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: TRADERG (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: CrucialHandz didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: DonLigretto showed [Jh As] and lost with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 7: WHAMBAZ didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: dlg showed [4h 4c] and won (10,820) with three of a kind, Fours
Seat 9: ATTHCTSYD didn't bet (folded)

[DonLigretto]

*push*

[rockstar626]

I like the 1st play since you had less than 10 BB, nice push.
As for the 2nd hand........
don't you just hate AJ? Tough hand to get away from when you flop 2pair, however if the player was fairly tight,you would have to assume you were beat. What did you put he/she on???

[Larude]

Hand 1: fold, UTG+1 is getting a little under 1:2 so your FE is not so big and chances are big you are behind when called (would expect to see a small or middlepocketpair most of the time).

Hand 2: is very difficult (results may flaw the opinions a bit). You are both pretty deep so I would expect him to reraise AK, KK, AA at his point also to prevent otherones from joining. Most likely he has a pocketpair or AQs, maybe a sc like JTs or 98s. On the flop you have to protect a little against flushdraws but not so much that you loose to much when behind or that he lays down a middlepair. I like about 600. Now the pot is 1760 and he raises 2880. Would he take so much risk with a flushdraw if he knows you could be on an ace and he has so big a stack there is no need for the risky job he would be doing with that.... I mean if you had no ace in your hand raising another 1800 would have done the job or just float and take it on the turn.. With AQ I can't see him raising in this spot, because he is either WB (AK, AJ, JJ) or WA. And if he is WA he is loosing value. Even with AK I would expect him to call in this spot. So I would say you are facing a set (AAA (unlikely), 444, JJJ) here about 65% of the time, 25% of the time a SC (no flush redraws for you except for 4 outs) and about 10% of the time he is playing AQ or AK, very weird... So I lean to folding but as said my analysis could be flawed by the results, I like to hear from others what they think...

[DonLigretto]

Thanks for your replies. Hand 2 was really difficult. I usually don't have a problem folding big hands, but top two pair is tough at these limits. Since many donks act like this with AK etc.

[BarryLyndon]

Hand 1 is a fold, IMO, you have plenty of players behind you and the limp is almost always gonna call you. You'll see 77, 66, 88, A10, all sorts of crap at this level; you have no FE and really need first in vigorish here. I'd push with any two before pushing here with the limper.

Second hand is ultra standard, you need to stop being results orientated. You should be overjoyed to have top 2 here as you will get so much value from A10, AQ, flush draws, JK, A4s, and so forth. Some of those hands you may not get AI, but you can definitely go to value town against them. And, yes, I hate AJ more than any other hand in poker, almost, but you're 8 handed, one fold already...at most tables, I'm raising here.

Barry

[Neku]

I don't like pushing all in when someone limped ahead of me. If I did, I'd prefer something better than A6s.

[relativity_x]

yeah, pushing a-rag in that spot is terrible. I'd rather push scs into a limper.

[JammyDodga]

2nd one fine,

I think in that position it would be very hard not to go bust, he could easily have AK, AQ, so there are plenty of hands you are beating, you also do have 1 or two outs.

AA and JJ would probably have re-raised PF, also they are fairly unlikely because you have one of each of those cards.

1st one I don't like,

I think when you are in small stack all-in mode the cards you have are much less important than the chance people are going to fold.

With Ace Rag I'd fold unless I was the first one in, if you are called you are either going to be well beaten - pair or higher Ace - or not much more than 50 50, like you were here.

Only come over the top of someone if you either
a) have a good reason to think you arent going to get called, ie. similar stack to you, on the button etc
or b) want to be called.

Neither of these two are true here.

[DonLigretto]

Thanks for your comments. I haven't had a clear read on the limper in the first hand, however saw him limp some hands and fold to reraises. Overall the table was tight anyway. Everybody folded except for the limper, he showed J9 offsuit. Well.....