Is it a mistake to fold here pf???

Xexilla · #1 10-20-2007, 12:35 AM

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (CO): $58.85
BTN: $31.15
SB: $76.35
BB: $46.50
UTG: $48.75

Pre-Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1.50</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $1.25, BB folds

Results: $3.50 Pot ($3.50 Rake)

Is it a mistake to fold here preflop?? I know it depends upon the raiser but readless is it a mistake??

The_Bankroll · #2 10-20-2007, 01:01 AM

I'd say so. I don't really see why your folding here, honestly. you are getting 3.5:1 on your money and you have a pocket pair. call, and most likely check-fold if you don't hit a set.

Lego05 · #3 10-20-2007, 01:11 AM

Huge mistake. Call for set value.

Kasane · #4 10-20-2007, 01:13 AM

Big mistake to fold. Call for set value; and more than set value when you really get a lot of experience. You've got position, and you'll be able to float/steal many pots as well.

Lego05 · #5 10-20-2007, 01:14 AM

Kasane's right about it not all having to be for set value...but I don't think you're there yet.

Still an easy call just for set value.

WHITEBOYAEHS · #6 10-20-2007, 01:15 AM

OP, a good rule of thumb for small pps like this is:

if the effective stack in the hand is 10x the raise amount, then calling for set value is +ev. (here the raise is to 1.50, so if you stand to win $15 or more from him, you should call.

Lego05 · #7 10-20-2007, 01:17 AM

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OP, a good rule of thumb for small pps like this is:

if the effective stack in the hand is 10x the raise amount, then calling for set value is +ev. (here the raise is to 1.50, so if you stand to win $15 or more from him, you should call.

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Actually...it's more like.....when you flop a set you need to be able to on average make 11.7 times the amount that you invested preflop in order to be able to profitably set mine.

Rememeber you won;t always win when you flop a set.

DBitel did the math that came out to that somewhere in small stakes. I don't know where this thread is. For some reason it's the one really good thread that I can no longer ever refind and isn't in any collections/archives or w/e that I know of.

WHITEBOYAEHS · #8 10-20-2007, 01:20 AM

11.7??? damn dude im gunna owe u some money...uve just helped me find a huge leak in my game...tytyty

Xexilla · #9 10-20-2007, 01:44 AM

tytyty indeed.. this is all really helpful guys I knew it was a mistake when I folded.... sickest thing is I would of flopped a set and the original raiser had Kings and the small blind was slow playing Aces... so sick. Thanks again [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Hey Lego if u find that thread or the info please pm it me I am really interested. cheers.

sightless · #10 10-20-2007, 02:19 AM

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tytyty indeed.. this is all really helpful guys I knew it was a mistake when I folded.... sickest thing is I would of flopped a set and the original raiser had Kings and the small blind was slow playing Aces... so sick. Thanks again [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Hey Lego if u find that thread or the info please pm it me I am really interested. cheers.

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lolz