A couple hands in which I suck, $200 NL

djj6835 · #1 10-26-2007, 07:57 PM

A couple hands from last night, both against 2p2ers. First hand not a lot of hands with villain but he's running at about 40/34/4/32% wtsd. FWIW this situation probably doesn't change that much if villain is TAG or LAG.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $127.55
UTG+1: $297.20
CO: $315.40
Hero: $372.40
SB: $281.50
BB: $448.40

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $8, Hero calls, 2 folds.
 pf I decide to flat instead of 3b, the blinds were bad so them coming along isn't a bad thing 

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($19, 2 players)
CO bets $14, Hero calls.

 Considered raising but decided to just call since we are deep. I think he might be more likely to make some bluff if I raise and we are 100 BBs deep. Could be wrong though 

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($47, 2 players)
CO bets $34, Hero calls.
 Turn the ace hits and he leads again. Obviously I'm not ahead nearly as often but this is a pretty standard double barrel spot for most players so I call again 

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($115, 2 players)
CO bets $102, Hero calls.

 River I dunno? He leads about pot but my hand is basically faceup as a queen or worse. I feel villain is definitely capable of triple barreling here against my likely range and the larger bet made it seem more like a bluff. However villain knows this so he could just be going for max value with Ax also fearing a smaller bet looks more valueishy 

Second hands another 2p2er. This one I completey butchered. Villain is 22/15/2 over 600+ hands.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $196
CO: $423.80
Button: $381.15
SB: $367.35
Hero: $223.95

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero calls.
 Again pf is probably just w/e 

Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($12, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero calls.
 Sometimes I would raise here but I decided to flat call and spike/bluff a lot of turns 

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($32, 2 players)
SB bets $24, Hero raises to $95, SB raises all-in $351.35

Turn was kind of strange since I actually have a pair but I still think I may be behind. I think with the club/jack turn there is a pretty good chance villain is just b/f here so I raise. Then he shoves and I'm disgusted with myself b/c I probably can't call. I may be dead, have a number of tainted outs, be drawing to a split, etc.

PlzHelpMe · #2 10-26-2007, 08:04 PM

hand one 3-bet or fold pre especially against a 40vpip. I dunno... as played you make it hard but i think i fold river. second hand fold to shove otherwise i don't mind it.

tannenj · #3 10-26-2007, 08:04 PM

1. on the turn i call sometimes, fold sometimes. i'd fold the river in this scenario, i don't think he's bluffing enough.

2. turn bluff is reasonable; i'd probably make it 75-80 though. once he shoves you have to fold.

tannenj · #4 10-26-2007, 08:04 PM

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hand one 3-bet or fold pre especially against a 40vpip.

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nah

djj6835 · #5 10-27-2007, 02:47 AM

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2. turn bluff is reasonable; i'd probably make it 75-80 though. once he shoves you have to fold.

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Yeah i folded when he shoved. Just wasn't sure if I should be raising the turn in that spot afer spiking a pair with my draw.

orange · #6 10-27-2007, 02:54 AM

1- I would typically fold with no significant history. i can definitely see a call sometimes if villan is capable of 3-barreling here. (not many players are at this level).

2- is very meh. i mean, you're getting great odds to improve here, problem is you could be dead in the water. i think i raise smaller as tannenj suggested, and you can also make a case for rr-ing pf/raising the flop/doing other stuff if you wanted.