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Old 10-20-2007, 02:24 PM
gman339 gman339 is offline
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Default 50NL Set w/scary river

Villain is 42/10/2.3 over 50 hands

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
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UTG: $98.35
Hero (UTG+1): $70.30
MP1: $46.15
MP2: $50.20
CO: $51.50
BTN: $19.25
SB: $123.80
BB: $56.35

Pre-Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG+1)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2</font>, 4 folds, SB calls $1.75, BB folds

Flop: ($4.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, SB calls $3

Turn: ($10.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $5</font>, SB calls $5

River: ($20.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $10</font>, Hero?

Obviously I'm not folding here, but should I just smooth call or reraise for value here? I don't exactly love that river card. Does anything I beat actually call if I do reraise?
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Old 10-20-2007, 02:27 PM
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Default Re: Set w/scary river

With a straight draw and flush draws being made on the river I just pussy call.
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Old 10-20-2007, 02:34 PM
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Default Re: Set w/scary river

shove
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Old 10-20-2007, 02:34 PM
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Default Re: Set w/scary river

bet more on the turn.
raise river to 25 or so.
and yes, hands that you beat will call a raise.
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Old 10-20-2007, 02:44 PM
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Default Re: Set w/scary river

I shove here for sure. There are many smaller sets/two pair hands that you are losing value from by just calling. He may have hit a straight but i think that its a relatively small portion of his range and the backdoor flush is extremely unlikely.
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Old 10-20-2007, 02:46 PM
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Default Re: Set w/scary river

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shove

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Care to explain your reasoning on why this is a shove? Hero and SB are both relativly deep, a shove on the river is a pretty large reraise, what type of hands are you expecting to call here? Can we put worse sets in his range of hands to be played so slow? Hands XT type hands I don't think call a shove on the river either after the previous action. Isn't much of his range hands like A3hh, A4hh, A5hh, 56s?

Does he have a worse set here enough that a shove is getting paid off?

Or am I totally missing the point and we are shoving for a totally different reason?
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Old 10-20-2007, 02:48 PM
SemiteStoned SemiteStoned is offline
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Default Re: Set w/scary river

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I shove here for sure. There are many smaller sets/two pair hands that you are losing value from by just calling. He may have hit a straight but i think that its a relatively small portion of his range and the backdoor flush is extremely unlikely.

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There are really only two likely smaller sets, 33 and 44, I don't think 22 would have gotten to the river here, although you never know. What type of two pair hands are you putting in SB's range here, we can discount hands like T7, sicne we have 77. Are we really thinking he shows up w/ 23s, 24s, T2s here?
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Old 10-20-2007, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: Set w/scary river

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bet more on the turn.
raise river to 25 or so.
and yes, hands that you beat will call a raise.

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I prefer this to a shove. It looks like a showdown-bet to me, so raise for value.
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Old 10-20-2007, 05:59 PM
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Default Re: Set w/scary river

[ QUOTE ]
bet more on the turn.
raise river to 25 or so.
and yes, hands that you beat will call a raise.

[/ QUOTE ]I agree, esp. with the turn part, build that pot up their since you're deeper than 100bbs. I'd bet $8. On the river I wouldn't shove because if you get all in on the river you're not going to be winning.
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Old 10-20-2007, 08:57 PM
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Default Re: Set w/scary river

Bet more turn and raise the river.
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