200nl: Not sure what to do with AA vs fish and nit

[chopsticks]

I think you have to include a possibility of a set to hand 1 and take at least KK and probably even QQ out from hand 2. I don't think that a nitty CO would slowplay KK and QQ pf.

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Does a true nit really raise that flop with JJ/TT?

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No.

[chopsticks]

This is more like the range I would put these players:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

105,651 games 0.005 secs 21,130,200 games/sec

Board: 7d 9d 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 22.350% 22.35% 00.00% 23613 0.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 37.996% 38.00% 00.00% 40143 0.00 { 77, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, QdJd, QdTd, Qd9d, JdTd, Jd9d, Td9d, 9d8d, 8d7d }
Hand 2: 39.654% 39.65% 00.00% 41895 0.00 { KK, 99, 77, 22 }

IMO CO holds a set here almost every time and BB has to have it too once in a while. Folding equity is probably 0 if you push and calling with AA here is never good so I think the only right move here is to fold.

[Das Budrick]

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BB is very passive. Typical fish. His lead/call is a litlte strange and makes me think he has a weak overpair or more likely a FD.

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if this is the case shouldn't we raise his flop donkbet?

[CalledDownLight]

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This is more like the range I would put these players:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

105,651 games 0.005 secs 21,130,200 games/sec

Board: 7d 9d 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 22.350% 22.35% 00.00% 23613 0.00 { AcAd }
Hand 1: 37.996% 38.00% 00.00% 40143 0.00 { 77, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, Kd9d, QdJd, QdTd, Qd9d, JdTd, Jd9d, Td9d, 9d8d, 8d7d }
Hand 2: 39.654% 39.65% 00.00% 41895 0.00 { KK, 99, 77, 22 }

IMO CO holds a set here almost every time and BB has to have it too once in a while. Folding equity is probably 0 if you push and calling with AA here is never good so I think the only right move here is to fold.

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CO has to have a bigger range than that. Give him a couple flush draws and another overpair at least.

[jetsetboy]

Donk u shouldn't play on a site where vilain can have Kd9d,Qd9d,Jd9d,Td9d,9d8d on a 9d7d2s board.

Anyway fold, u are against a set a little bit too often.

[Mr_Donktastic]

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BB is very passive. Typical fish. His lead/call is a litlte strange and makes me think he has a weak overpair or more likely a FD.

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if this is the case shouldn't we raise his flop donkbet?

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Yeah, maybe.

I expected CO to fold and then the fish would either lead turn and I would raise AI or he would check and I would bet/call or bet/bet.

I also wanted to see what CO would do since a raise from him is bad news but a call would likely mean something like TT/JJ or FD, and I could play accordingly vs him too.

[chopsticks]

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Donk u shouldn't play on a site where vilain can have Kd9d,Qd9d,Jd9d,Td9d,9d8d on a 9d7d2s board.

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lol

[x] too lazy to edit anymore

[Mr_Donktastic]

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

685,377 games 0.031 secs 22,108,935 games/sec

Board: 7d 9d 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.257% 38.26% 00.00% 262207 0.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 27.278% 27.26% 00.02% 186805 153.00 { KK-JJ, 99, 77, 22, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, QdJd, QdTd, JdTd }
Hand 2: 34.465% 34.44% 00.02% 236059 153.00 { JJ-99, 77, 22, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, QdJd, QdTd, JdTd }

This is probably fairly accurate. I gave them both sets, some overpairs, and some flush draw combos.

Anyway at the time I thought this was a pretty clear fold, which I did, and then CO turned over KK and BB had QJdd. KK won. I puked.

I think the call is pretty neutral, maybe slightly +ev, or at least a much closer call than I thought while playing the hand.

[CalledDownLight]

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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

685,377 games 0.031 secs 22,108,935 games/sec

Board: 7d 9d 2s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.257% 38.26% 00.00% 262207 0.00 { AdAs }
Hand 1: 27.278% 27.26% 00.02% 186805 153.00 { KK-JJ, 99, 77, 22, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, QdJd, QdTd, JdTd }
Hand 2: 34.465% 34.44% 00.02% 236059 153.00 { JJ-99, 77, 22, KdQd, KdJd, KdTd, QdJd, QdTd, JdTd }

This is probably fairly accurate. I gave them both sets, some overpairs, and some flush draw combos.

Anyway at the time I thought this was a pretty clear fold, which I did, and then CO turned over KK and BB had QJdd. KK won. I puked.

I think the call is pretty neutral, maybe slightly +ev, or at least a much closer call than I thought while playing the hand.

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thank you very much. Tips can be sent on Stars. My first reaction was admittedly fold too, but as I pointed out, it seems we have to shove because their ranges aren't clearly defined. I really do think there is something to the theory that you can never fold the top of your range no matter what the action is.

[Mr_Donktastic]

And this is def the very top of my range considering I was playing 25/19 at the time.