SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read

[dchz]

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13% PFR is quite easily doing this with AKs, QQ. I had a guy with more solid stats do this with JJ to me the other day when I had AA so if the only read you have is the numbers then insta call.
He has AA = cooler [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
This is SSNL!!

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you realize 10 is good right?

also did you notices 180bb?

i also got excited and thought you were CTS
:-p

[McRoNiX]

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13% PFR is quite easily doing this with AKs, QQ. I had a guy with more solid stats do this with JJ to me the other day when I had AA so if the only read you have is the numbers then insta call.
He has AA = cooler [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
This is SSNL!!

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you realize 10 is good right?

also did you notices 180bb?

i also got excited and thought you were CTS
:-p

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LOL sorry to disappoint.
I thought we were saying how bad not how not bad the fold is :P
I guess you coulda made an awesome fold. but I think this is the wrong play imo

[dchz]

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13% PFR is quite easily doing this with AKs, QQ. I had a guy with more solid stats do this with JJ to me the other day when I had AA so if the only read you have is the numbers then insta call.
He has AA = cooler [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
This is SSNL!!

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you realize 10 is good right?

also did you notices 180bb?

i also got excited and thought you were CTS
:-p

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LOL sorry to disappoint.
I thought we were saying how bad not how not bad the fold is :P
I guess you coulda made an awesome fold. but I think this is the wrong play imo

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kk fair enough, i tthank you for commenting CTS #2

[jeccross]

Yeah I was rating 10 sa being the worst. 180 bbs doesn't make too mch difference IMO (Not from a 1/2 player anyway) as a bigger push looks more scared. If you have him down as being a good player you'd have to have a real reason to believe he thinks you have KK to push his AA like that to be ble to fold.

[jtr]

I don't hate it at all, dchz. The guy raises 13% of his hands. That's overall, but he's in MP here, so he probably only raises 9 or 10% there. Maybe less.

When faced with your significant re-raise, he chooses to four-bet push. What fraction of the 9% or 10% hand-range do you think he does this with? In my experience, it is quite normal for people to only do that with the top 10% of what they could have here. (Think about it, doubters: how often do people like this push when you three-bet them deep? 50% of the time? 20%? Less, I suspect.)

So if this logic holds we need to put him on the top 1% of possible holdings. So that makes it AA, KK, or possibly AK but weighted much less than the monster pairs.

If he showed you AA you'd fold right? For a guy with a 13% PFR and a solid game, given the stakes and the stack sizes, he's coming close to showing you AA here. I would need to have seen him push AK when deep-stacked, more than once, in order to want to call this.

[Unknown Soldier]

bad fold - his line isnt exactly strong with the dead money from the cold-caller in there

[docnuclear]

I'd say 5. I don't think it is that bad with a read. also do you have any stat on his 3 betting tendencies ?

[orange]

i got in 200bbs yesterday with KK pf. and lost to AA obv.

[jfish]

guys, never folding KK preflop is a basic strategy that you should usually follow because its harder to make mistakes not folding than it is otherwise. HOWEVER, if you dont trust your reads you will never improve as a player. this is something that annoys me as people live by lame blanket statements like "never fold KK pf for x bbs." dont be afraid to make a thin fold/call/raise when the situation warrants, it should be obvious!

[Jamougha]

I would fold this vs certain people sure. It has to come down to your feel for the guy.