Odd Quiz, introductory concepts pt. 2.

[BobboFitos]

1. Villain raises in the CO to 7, 1/2 blinds with 250 behind. You call with KT[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], blinds fold.

Flop (17) comes K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Villain shows you he has A4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. (You know he has that hand, he does not know you know his hand)

He bets 14.
a. Do you call or raise?
b. Why?
c. If you call and he checks the turn, what's our play? (List possible turn cards and ensuing plays)
d. If you call and he bets 30 on the turn, what's our play? (List possible turn cards and ensuing plays)

2. Villain raises in the CO to 7, 1/2 blinds with 250 behind. You call with KT[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], blinds fold.

Flop (17) comes K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Villain shows you he has K8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. (You know he has that hand, he does not know you know his hand)

He bets 14.
a. Do you call or fold?
b. Why?
c. If you call and he checks the turn, what's our play? (List possible turn cards and ensuing plays)
d. If you call and he bets 30 on the turn, what's our play? (List possible turn cards and ensuing plays)

[grando]

call hand 1 to make him make a bigger mistake on a turn rag

fold hand 2 obviously

[thac]

Hand 1 -

I call because I don't wanna get allin here when he has like 48% equity. I would rather wait to see a safe turn card or whatever.

If he checks to us on any turn card that isn't an ace or a spade, I'm betting ~30 or so to protect my hand but also to get value if he calls too often with draws.

If he leads 30 on any card that doesn't improve his hand (I don't count a 4 as improving his hand but it should be taken into consideration), I'm shoving because if he misses the river it's very unlikely he's gonna fire again and I want to get his money in when he's behind.


Hand 2 -

I call here because there are a lot of cards that improve our hand - a J, 7, T, 9 will all do it, also we can rep spades if one comes in.

If he checks the turn, I'm going to continue trying to rep a draw and check through. We're not scared of any rivers because we know his hand and we're still behind so we're not letting him catch up if we take a free card. I would consider betting any J, T, 7 turn but I would check a 9 so we can induce a river bet. If a spade comes I would consider firing as well.

If he leads turn I fold.

[Fonkey123]

I don't even think hand 2 is debatable, it's a fold.

How aggressive is villain with draws in hand 1?

[BobboFitos]

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I don't even think hand 2 is debatable, it's a fold.

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You sure it's not debatable? You know what he has, you have position, and you have hidden equity.
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How aggressive is villain with draws in hand 1?

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If you raise he may just shove... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[JKratzer]

1. - call. raising commits our stack in a situation where we're slightly ahead. use our position and awesome soul-reading ability to own him on the turn.

2. - i probably just fold cause i can never get anyone to fold a better hand ever. if we continue it should be with intentions of bluffing him when a scare card hits (spade or running big cards making straights/better 2 pair very likey).

if turn is a blank i'd fold/check behind.

[Hince]

1a. I am calling the flop and jamming a safe turn.
b. our equity is much higher on a good turn and we are IP for the hand.
c. bet stuff that doesn't help him.
d. Raise him pot on stuff that doesn't help him.

2a. I fold.

[Unknown Soldier]

1: call, our equity increases by quite a bit if he blanks the turn, i'd rather the money go in on the turn.

c: bet if he misses

d: raise if he misses



2: fold, marginal i think, we have got the implied odds if he gives like 200 every time.


EDIT: oops, forgot a 9 was an out, makes it a call then i think

[capodu]

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what thac said

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[orange]

1- Call. Doesn't seem optimal to build a large pot when we are only marginally ahead. I'd probably bet the turn to protect our equity (given blank).

2- Fold. We aren't getting better to fold, we can call in hopes to improve on the turn I suppose but I think this is a marginal spot either way.