Donking into the raiser, *theory*

[luckychewy]

yea, i mean i think this is good and all and agree w/ a lot of it especially live...but hand 1 seems really out of place. i'd feel fairly confident just c/f'ing vs. most live dudes, though i don't know how different the game was playing that you were in from most of the ones i've played in.

the others i think are fine but of course could vary.

[Jurrr]

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I think most people cbet too much. That is a big leak of theirs which can be exploited. But to exploit this you have to let them cbet.

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If you play against a villain who will cbet almost always but not raise a donk-bet often (and will often fold his worst hands when facing a donk bet) then any strong hands you donk are only there to balance the bluffs with your weak hands and that strategy may possibly be dominated by just check-raising both your strong hands and (some) bluffs.

[pp262]

I'm noticing a change in C/R vs b-3b frequencies in the medium stakes games I play with the balance shifting to the former. A few months ago it seemed everyone was constantly bet-3betting but now I see much more checkraises compared to bet-3bets. Has anyone else noticed this as well?

[Zeestein]

kinda, I think its also going check/bet/checkraise/allin more now as well to counter this

every time I think about 6max strat now I think of aejones theorem - I'm sure that its hasn't made me a better player but its just funny cos it triggers me remembering all my donk on donk hands

TY Aejones 4 the comedy [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

[wpr101]

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If you play against a villain who will cbet almost always but not raise a donk-bet often (and will often fold his worst hands when facing a donk bet) then any strong hands you donk are only there to balance the bluffs with your weak hands and that strategy may possibly be dominated by just check-raising both your strong hands and (some) bluffs.

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I seriously doubt you are going to find many players who cbet all the time and always think a donk bet is a made hand. Even if you did find this player it would be about 2,000 hands and some note taking before you really picked up on it.

[wpr101]

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I'm noticing a change in C/R vs b-3b frequencies in the medium stakes games I play with the balance shifting to the former. A few months ago it seemed everyone was constantly bet-3betting but now I see much more checkraises compared to bet-3bets. Has anyone else noticed this as well?

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Where do you play and what stakes?

[wpr101]

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So most of your checks without initiative are check-folds ?

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This is another problem if we over emphasize donk betting. We want to keep the CR open as a option with all types of hands: bluffs, draws, and sets.

[BalugaWhale]

your example is pretty bad to donk imo, except for board texture

i'd say
board texture and equity are the top 2 reasons to donk.

[jfish]

examples 2 and 3 are bad. 1 is good.

[ahnuld]

people are raising donk bets more and more these days since people are donking more one pair hands.