common SB vs. BB Spot

Villain was new when this hand occured so i have no reads.

He opens i t SB and i call with JdTh

Flop: 5d 6d 7h bets, i call.

Turn: 9h bets, I raise, he 3bets i call.

River: Ad he bets, i fold


I know i often semi-bluff the wrong spots and i havent yet a good handle with this situation. Pls help me out!

[secretprankster]

Looks fine, don't do it everytime but people betfold there quite a bit.

[thepizzlefosho]

I make this play a lot too, but sometimes I feel like I would save bets if I made it on the flop.

raise flop, if I'm three bet call and reevaluate on turn. If SB calls my flop raise, then I can either fire again on the turn, or take the free card when I pick up some outs. If nothing else it keeps me from putting in 3-bets on the turn with J-high.

not criticizing OPs play, because I definitely make this play sometimes as well, just wondering if it is better to run these plays on the flop instead of the turn.

[Oink]

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Looks fine, don't do it everytime but people betfold there quite a bit.

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I disagree but it depends on villain and thus how your games play.

If villain is thinking his range is pretty strong when he bets the turn: You called his c-bet on a very drawy and coordinated flop and the turn brought a card that fills up a lot of draws. A decent player will recognize this and c/c marginal but SD'able holdings, bet/call or bet/raise good holdings and finally c/f a LOT.

If villain is a TAG fish I dont mind the raise. Otherwise I think its bad as you wont get a lot of folds and you will get owned by strong 3-betting hands.

[zalazane]

My feeling is that this is a spewy move without any reads. I try to play very straightforward against unknowns

[secretprankster]

Yeah good points Oink.

[thepizzlefosho]

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Looks fine, don't do it everytime but people betfold there quite a bit.

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I disagree but it depends on villain and thus how your games play.

If villain is thinking his range is pretty strong when he bets the turn: You called his c-bet on a very drawy and coordinated flop and the turn brought a card that fills up a lot of draws. A decent player will recognize this and c/c marginal but SD'able holdings, bet/call or bet/raise good holdings and finally c/f a LOT.

If villain is a TAG fish I dont mind the raise. Otherwise I think its bad as you wont get a lot of folds and you will get owned by strong 3-betting hands.

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I think this is pretty true. Also it makes me think I'm a TAG fish for the times when I stupidly second barrel into these boards with Ace-sh!t when I should be c/c or c/f-ing.

nice post oink, thx