$11 Rebuy - Committed Call?

[FireStorm]

Stars $11 Rebuy PL, bad structure. I'm somewhat new to online play and Omaha tournaments, have good experience with live cash games though. My play this tournament has been a bit loose, and I've stolen a couple of times. Villain is pretty solid and has apparently won a couple of these before. I'm playing here to place very high, not to money.

Is my hand playable enough to call here? Am I committed or let it go and avoid donking it up?

PokerStars Game #9042879835: Tournament #45412979, $10+$1 Omaha Pot Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2007/03/23 - 01:40:42 (ET)
Table '45412979 13' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: TOYnn (5034 in chips)
Seat 2: t97h (6457 in chips)
Seat 3: jadb (17845 in chips)
Seat 4: suitedQ10 (11830 in chips)
Seat 5: from (10970 in chips)
Seat 7: a1chemist (8120 in chips)
Seat 9: ChkRseShove (8870 in chips)
TOYnn: posts small blind 300
t97h: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChkRseShove [8c Jd 8d 7h]
jadb: folds
suitedQ10: folds
from: calls 600
a1chemist: folds
ChkRseShove: raises 1550 to 2150
TOYnn: folds
t97h: raises 4307 to 6457 and is all-in
from: folds
ChkRseShove: ..... ?

[ocdscale]

I think it's an easy fold.
You've been playing loose (Villian may be taking this into account), but I can't imagine you're ahead with J887 single suited.

[grizy]

straight up odds wise it's a fold... although I don't mind donking it up at all.

[FireStorm]

FWIW I'm doing fairly well in this thing at the moment [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ...... bird if you wish.

OCD, I'm clearly not ahead here, that much is obvious. The question is, do I call 4307 into +/-9500, I'm getting about 2.2-1 with a chance to see all five and knock a player out. I also don't want to sit and play with 10 BB's to fight my way to 17th, etc.

[RoundTower]

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straight up odds wise it's a fold... although I don't mind donking it up at all.

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really? what kind of range do you put him on? I think you're clearly priced in against a reasonable range, and you have to make up some vague ideas about tournament life and so on to justify a fold.

[grizy]

hm.... you're right, now I think about it... with blinds already this high, BB basically is any 4 cards, yeah, call.

[Troll_Inc]

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straight up odds wise it's a fold... although I don't mind donking it up at all.

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really? what kind of range do you put him on? I think you're clearly priced in against a reasonable range, and you have to make up some vague ideas about tournament life and so on to justify a fold.

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You only have 36% equity vs high pairs, so if your opponent will only do this reraise with high pairs, you could fold. I'm sure your ROI should be ~2 for a PLO tourney, so you'll need better than even money return on your pot odds (See Double Up Theory in MOP).

http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/s...amp;h4=&h5=

Especially late in a tourney, I'd never raise with a low pair hand for this reason. Change one of those 8's to a 9 or Ten and you are golden for an allin push.

[wazz]

You bunch of donkeys, how can we realistically give any sound advice without knowing where we are in the tournament? How close is the bubble, how many people left, how steep are the payouts, etc etc, this kinda info can swing this from an always fold to an always call.

[FireStorm]

Wazz, sorry for being a little late on this one, but you are entirely right.

Relevant info:

141 players, 18 cash. At the point this happens, there are about 24 players left. The first series of cash spots pay $31. First pays $879, second $570?, third $350, fourth $275, etc.

My opponent probably only does this with a big pair or a huge broadway hand, he's very rarely on a move. He has a bigger pair here IMO 80-85% of the time.

[piiop]

Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Jd8d8c7h 35.84% 214,579 974
AA**,KK** 64.16% 384,447 974