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#21
05-07-2007, 08:10 PM
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Re: 1/2 Commerce hand vs CMO
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what does chris think of you? [/ QUOTE ] He knows who I am, we've played together before, he probably thinks I am solid and a bit LAGgy (typical). Tonight I am card dead and can't win a pot and playing very snug. -DeathDonkey 
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#22
05-08-2007, 06:45 AM
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Re: 1/2 Commerce hand vs CMO
Anyway I didn't really 3 bet the turn, I called his raise and check/folded the river when it bricked off. I probably should have just checked the turn.
After I folded he showed me the T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and not the other one. -DeathDonkey
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#25
05-11-2007, 01:24 AM
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Re: 1/2 Commerce hand vs CMO
DD, when people raise the turn here with pairs or better they just aren't folding regardless if he views you the way you say. You save these move against the grizzly old men, not the young 20 somethings who occasionally play with a chip on their shoulders. The only hands you can hope fold are better flush draws that miss and maybe MAYBE MAYBE a confusedly played middle pair. Sometimes I talk myself into those foldy lines by accident, but if he's as good as you say and he knows you you played it well(the way you really played it, not the lie in the OP).
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#26
05-11-2007, 01:28 AM
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Re: 1/2 Commerce hand vs CMO
Thanks James, makes a lot of sense. I will say he implied to me afterwards he had JT of clubs ("why can't the flush hit one time!") but he'll never tell me as he is too good and evil at the same time.
-DeathDonkey
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#27
05-11-2007, 01:36 AM
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Re: 1/2 Commerce hand vs CMO
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Thanks James, makes a lot of sense. I will say he implied to me afterwards he had JT of clubs ("why can't the flush hit one time!") but he'll never tell me as he is too good and evil at the same time. -DeathDonkey [/ QUOTE ] Failing to bet the flop with J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] seems pretty dumb.
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#28
05-11-2007, 03:21 AM
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Re: 1/2 Commerce hand vs CMO
Nate the whole thing confused me, I mean when I cold cap it preflop I'm betting when checked to close to 100% of the time so I have no idea what his range is after the flop gets checked around. Checking JTcc doesn't seem particularly better or worse than checking TT and what else could he have given the card I saw?
-DeathDonkey
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#29
05-11-2007, 04:08 AM
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Re: 1/2 Commerce hand vs CMO
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Nate the whole thing confused me, I mean when I cold cap it preflop I'm betting when checked to close to 100% of the time so I have no idea what his range is after the flop gets checked around. Checking JTcc doesn't seem particularly better or worse than checking TT and what else could he have given the card I saw? -DeathDonkey [/ QUOTE ] Checking J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is much worse than checking say T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. For one thing, the flush draw actually has more equity (about 35% versus 25% in the Pokerstoves I ran). For another thing, a bet with JTs has a much better chance of folding out better hands for self-evident reasons. For a third thing, the flush draw plays much better against a raise. I think you have to bet both in a pot that's this large against loose opponents, but I think failing to bet the TT is like a $30 mistake and failing to bet the JTs is like a $300 mistake. The rationale for checking TT is basically: I'm not folding out JJ-KK in a Commerce 1/2 game, getting raised is a bitch when I'd be getting like 15-1 to call, I might benefit from a free card and maybe my voodoo will allow me a second free card and/or a cheap showdown. The rationale for checking JTs is non-existent.
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