QQ eh should i push turn and get it over with?

intensity · #1 02-07-2007, 07:11 PM

I know I should be posting this on SSNL but I appreciate MSNL advice more. anyways, villain is around 27/8 and he's pretty weak tight. I insta called the river but I was considering pushing the turn. thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($200)
Button ($256.50)
SB ($235.60)
BB ($101.25)
Hero ($231.30)
MP ($72.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, CO calls $6, Button raises to $18, 2 folds, Hero raises to $60, CO folds, Button calls $42.

Flop: ($129) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($129) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $20, Hero calls $20.

River: ($169) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $176.5 (All-In), Hero calls $151.30 (All-In).

Final Pot: $496.80

DJ Sensei · #2 02-07-2007, 07:13 PM

ech.

if you're getting money in with QQ here, you better let him do it. otherwise you're toast 100%.

I would fold river too.

intensity · #3 02-07-2007, 07:19 PM

Iono, with the flat call on the 4-bet I put him on AA KK or AK. I don't think he calls with anything less here so i discounted sets on the flop (except JJ of course) He checks so now it's either AK or JJ as he would bet AA or KK to protect his hand. Turn comes a Jclub and bets $20? Why? I think he wants a cheap river with a naked ace. He might have JJ but highly unlikely. So on the turn I'm debating a push but I call because I believe I can get away from a scary river easily. River comes a blank and he pushes. Basically it's either or JJ or air no?

Big_Jim · #4 02-07-2007, 07:23 PM

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I think he wants a cheap river with a naked ace.

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So why didn't he just take a free one?

intensity · #5 02-07-2007, 07:25 PM

hm, okay. so what went wrong in this hand? Just the river call? Should I have bet/fold the flop?

DJ Sensei · #6 02-07-2007, 07:30 PM

people play weird in 4-bet hands, because the pot is so big but theres still 3 streets to go.

QQ doesnt look too good here though.

i also dont think you should count on this kind of player shoving the river with AK high.

Hoopster81 · #7 02-07-2007, 07:32 PM

I don't like the 4-bet vs this villain