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#12
07-01-2007, 02:28 PM
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Re: Verbal tell
Donkey told me I was supposed to fold because talking meant strength, but I said I was supposed to call because something indefinite like "something like that" meant he was uncomfortable and weak.
I told him I would let the forum decide who was right. Death Donkey, you are right. I should've folded. 
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#13
07-01-2007, 02:30 PM
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Re: Verbal tell
i think the fact that he checkraised you is far more indicative than any verbal tells. Personally, no matter what I have, when someone asks me an idiotic question like that after my betting has clearly indicated that I like my hand, I'm bound to make some smart-alec response like:
"do you have a pair yet?" "sure!" "No, but my ace is better than your ace." "Yeah, but it's not a very good one." "No, I'm on the flush draw." (only used on rainbow boards) "Why? Do I need one?" "Something like that." "Pairs??? I don't get dealt pairs. That's why I have to RAISE!!!" "Do YOU have a pair yet?" The only time I sit there silently is in NLHE and in NLHE, I NEVER say a word when in a hand if I'm taking the stakes/tournament seriously. Limit is boring. Talking at the table makes it fun, and as long as you don't have any problem talking while on a bluff or with a big hand, it's all good. 99% of the time, you feel confident about the way you're playing the hand anyway. So when he says to himself, "he seems confident..." HE'S RIGHT!!! I'm completely confident that I wish to 3bet my 10 outs on the turn.
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#14
07-01-2007, 02:30 PM
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Re: Verbal tell
Oh, and if you're just going to take Mike L's word for it, just pm him your question.
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#15
07-01-2007, 02:31 PM
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Re: Verbal tell
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Oh, and if you're just going to take Mike L's word for it, just pm him your question. [/ QUOTE ] I'm taking the word of him and the other 7 or so people who all were unanimous.
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#16
07-01-2007, 03:57 PM
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Re: Verbal tell
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Live 40 game. Player A checkraises the flop. Player B calls and says "do you have a pair yet?". Player A responds with "something like that". Is player A strong or weak? [/ QUOTE ] I think the physical mannerisms that go with it, basically the body language in the way things are said and done, confirm it either way. Playing NL a guy bet 300 pf and I called him with QQ. He bet 500 into an 8 high flop and I knew he wasn't happy. I go AI for 970 str. He had JJ and paid off. In another hand same guy made it 100 pf and I knew he had AA. I did something I never do in that spot and just called with KK. One other caller. He bet 375 on a 5 high flop and I knew he was happy. I went AI for 750 because my hand was under represented, it was a psb and I could be wrong. In reality I knew before he insta called I was right. I'm the stackee this time. The way he said it was confirmed by his body language. My two cents on the verbal thing.
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#17
07-01-2007, 04:03 PM
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Re: Verbal tell
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Donkey told me I was supposed to fold because talking meant strength, but I said I was supposed to call because something indefinite like "something like that" meant he was uncomfortable and weak. I told him I would let the forum decide who was right. Death Donkey, you are right. I should've folded. [/ QUOTE ] So then this could have been a reverse tell b/c donkey knows that you know how to read tells so maybe he's trying to act weak to tell you he's strong when he's really quite weak. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#18
07-01-2007, 04:08 PM
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Re: Verbal tell
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Live 40 game. Player A checkraises the flop. Player B calls and says "do you have a pair yet?". Player A responds with "something like that". Is player A strong or weak? [/ QUOTE ] depends on the guy.
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#19
07-01-2007, 05:13 PM
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Re: Verbal tell
Normally, a quick, glib answer means weak. However, in a good player, a non-exact somewhat cryptic answer can often be the opposite. "Something like that" can mean a pair matching one of the cards on the board.
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#20
07-02-2007, 03:46 AM
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Re: Verbal tell
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I suck then and Death Donkey owns me. bah. [/ QUOTE ] oh, ok. I saw this as the 2nd reply and it looked like you had the answer you were looking for. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Still look forward to meeting you, Clark. We've been living in the same city for 18 months now and playing the same limits. wtf?
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