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How to stop Overplaying TPTK?
Is there any straight forward answer to this question?
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Re: How to stop Overplaying TPTK?
Putting people on hands/draws and sticking to it when they hit is the short answer.
I'll try and get a longer answer organized and post it. This was one of my leaks a few weeks ago. |
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Re: How to stop Overplaying TPTK?
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Is there any straight forward answer to this question? [/ QUOTE ] When the money is deep don't get all in with just top pair. Checking behind on the turn (or sometimes the flop) is a good way to accomplish this when you are in position. |
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Re: How to stop Overplaying TPTK?
This confuses me too! And if you do put someone on a draw should you be putting in pot size bets to deny them odds or exercise pot control as TP really isn't a big enough hand to justify a big pot?
I had this problem just last week, when I was OOP against two callers. The player to my left was loopy loose (I wanted to play with him) but by calling anything and everything he gave the player on the button decent drawing odds for a flush - which came in on the river. Since then I have decided that whenever I'm OOP against two or more limpers I'll call in the name of pot control, rather than raise - but I really have no idea if that's a dumb idea or not! Any advice most gratefully received. |
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Re: How to stop Overplaying TPTK?
Thanks Pants - you answered my question even before I'd finished typing [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Re: How to stop Overplaying TPTK?
Giving a free card to a draw isn't that bad because if the draw hits and villian bets a lot you can fold (sometimes youw will be bluffed off the best hand however) and when villian misses he will often bluff and you pick up an extra bet.
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Re: How to stop Overplaying TPTK?
Pot control. You don't need to make pot sized bets all the time. You don't need to bet every street or raise all the time.
Save your big pots for your big hands. Protect two pair and trips and a set. Protect non-nut flushes and weaker straights. Play TPTK with finesse. If you are against TPWK, you are not going to get a whole lot from him so no need to hammer away. He will be happy calling a 1/2 pot bet once and checking the river and so should you. Yes, you will lose to good draws once and awhile. But on the river, if you did your pot control job properly, then the bet you will be calling won't be a large one. |
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Re: How to stop Overplaying TPTK?
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Save your big pots for your big hands. Protect two pair and trips and a set. Protect non-nut flushes and weaker straights. Play TPTK with finesse. If you are against TPWK, you are not going to get a whole lot from him so no need to hammer away. He will be happy calling a 1/2 pot bet once and checking the river and so should you. Yes, you will lose to good draws once and awhile. But on the river, if you did your pot control job properly, then the bet you will be calling won't be a large one. [/ QUOTE ] I am definitely going to take this advice to heart. I thought by potting my tptk hands I was denying draws the odds, and protecting my hand. However, I just reviewed my first 4k hands in PTracker, and found that TPTK is my biggest leak. Did I say leak? It's more like Niagra Falls. I've doubled my buyin since playing, but in that time I've lost a full buyin to TPTK errors. Ugh. Thanks for the advice. |
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Re: How to stop Overplaying TPTK?
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Pot control. You don't need to make pot sized bets all the time. You don't need to bet every street or raise all the time. Save your big pots for your big hands. Protect two pair and trips and a set. Protect non-nut flushes and weaker straights. Play TPTK with finesse. If you are against TPWK, you are not going to get a whole lot from him so no need to hammer away. He will be happy calling a 1/2 pot bet once and checking the river and so should you. Yes, you will lose to good draws once and awhile. But on the river, if you did your pot control job properly, then the bet you will be calling won't be a large one. [/ QUOTE ] This is excellent advice. Overplaying TPTK used to be my biggest leak, and I now treat it as a flop hand. What I mean is, I play it pretty fast on the flop, but if I get too much resistance, I'm going for pot control and aiming for a (very) cheap showdown or I'm folding it. Like another poster said, it can be very read-dependant as well. Here is an example of a hand vs 2 villains who were both pretty solid TAGS. (My limp preflop was to mix it up a bit - I had been very active in the last few hands) It was so obvious to me that the flop action showed both villains had me crushed, and I simply folded and waited for a better spot. A few weeks ago, I would have gone broke here: http://www.pokerhand.org/?1668223 GL ! |
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Re: How to stop Overplaying TPTK?
You're preflop play is bad. TPTK is best in HU pots...limp calling like that encouraged a huge multiway pot. If you have been very active recently, it's especially more profitable to pickup a premium hand since when you flop good, might get paid off due to your "active" image. Nevertheless, you were destined to lose money that hand, and it is a good thing you did not go broke!
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