Two CallTheFloor Events in One Tourney

[psandman]

Well when i read the first decision I thought wow thats a miracle the Floor at the Sahara finally made the right decision. But then I read the second event and may faith in the Sahara Floor always getting it wrong was restored.

Either you follow TDA rules and a player who isn't in his seat when the second card is dealt to the button has his hand killed, or you follow the rule that a player who isn't in his seat when the action gets to him has his hand killed, either way this player has a dead hand. It might not be his fault, but thats irrelevant.

The thing is that I stopped playing the Shaara Tournament (even though I've had some success at that tourney) because the floor cocnsistently pissed me off. Along with almost always making bad rulings, he never balances tables, dealers will be hollering for him but he doesn't come over and take care of the problem, instead you just wait until a dealer on break happens to walk by and take care of the fact that one table has 11 players and another has 7.

[bav]

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Along with almost always making bad rulings, he never balances tables, dealers will be hollering for him but he doesn't come over and take care of the problem, instead you just wait until a dealer on break happens to walk by and take care of the fact that one table has 11 players and another has 7.

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Meh. Ain't that bad and it varies depending on who's working. I've seen many other tournaments, including some much higher buy-in tourneys, where the floor is more difficult to get hold of. And I've seen a few larger buy-in tourneys where they screwed up pretty basic stuff--things most folks on this forum would get right.

For $62 you get a pretty nice tourney at Sahara with a structure adequate to let you play poker and not 30 minutes in become an all-in craps fest. And at the 7pm event you even get a yummy free sub sammich at the first break. I ain't found a low dollar tourney I like better. But you have to take it for what it is; they turn the crank and 3 times a day a reasonable $62 tourney comes out. I think I'm getting my money's worth but when playing a $62 tourney I'm more entertainment driven than profit driven. It's +EV, but nowhere close to as profitable per hour as most any NL1/2 game.

[AngusThermopyle]

He's right, too--he wasn't even in his seat as all this is happening so it's not like he had the opportunity to stop the action.

His fanny may actually have been touching the chair as it became his turn to act

One or the other. If he wants to do "I'm going to take my time and get comfy before I look at my cards and not pay attention to the action or bother to ask for 'Time' and all of you can just wait for me" ....sorry, his hand is dead.

Also, was the dealer deaf, dumb, and blind?

[misdemeaner 7]

What tournament rules do they play by? In tourneys I deal, if the player isn't IN HIS SEAT when the last card is dealt, the hand is dead.

[bav]

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What tournament rules do they play by? In tourneys I deal, if the player isn't IN HIS SEAT when the last card is dealt, the hand is dead.

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This is going a little far. "We allow you to stand up and stretch" is a quote I heard once when some nit at the table tried to make 'em muck someone's hand who was standing behind his chair after suffering a leg cramp as the deal finished. As well, this is a $62 tournament--the rules are maybe a bit more lax than you'll find at a $2500 WSOP table.

This guy was there, setting his chips down as the first card is dealt. He's putting his jacket on the back of the chair and pulling it out and sitting down and pushing the chair back in as the action goes past him. He was there, just wasn't QUITE ready to play. His fanny may actually have been touching the chair as it became his turn to act (Sahara requires you be seated when it becomes your turn to act, not when the deal is complete--you can debate whether or not you like that, but the rule is consistent, at least.)

But yeah, I guess I'm beginning to like the idea of treating his unreadiness as the equivalent of not being in his seat. He wasn't capable of protecting his action, so it was about as bad as if he were 10' away. Muck his cards and move on works for me.